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 Post subject: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:55 am 
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The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.


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This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,”

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In 2003, when he was an assistant professor at Yale, Cohen asked a group of undergraduates, who had previously described their political views as either very liberal or very conservative, to participate in a test to study, they were told, their “memory of everyday current events.”

The students were shown two articles: one was a generic news story; the other described a proposed welfare policy. The first article was a decoy; it was the students’ reactions to the second that interested Cohen. He was actually testing whether party identifications influence voters when they evaluate new policies. To find out, he produced multiple versions of the welfare article. Some students read about a program that was extremely generous—more generous, in fact, than any welfare policy that has ever existed in the United States—while others were presented with a very stingy proposal. But there was a twist: some versions of the article about the generous proposal portrayed it as being endorsed by Republican Party leaders; and some versions of the article about the meagre program described it as having Democratic support. The results showed that, “for both liberal and conservative participants, the effect of reference group information overrode that of policy content. If their party endorsed it, liberals supported even a harsh welfare program, and conservatives supported even a lavish one.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:02 am 
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They have no positions of their own. They are the mouth pieces of dozens of individual donors be they super rich individuals or multi-national corporations. They hold what positions they are told to by these people and organizations, and occasionally take up one that is popular with the masses to keep us quiet and sitting in our lay-z-boys.

Short answer, they've got Multiple Personality Disorder, what you're seeing is not them and their beliefs but those of their donors.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:21 am 
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Why do politicians reverse their positions?

the wind shifts

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 Post subject: Re: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:13 pm 
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A very very rare few will modify their position based on new information.

For the rest it's political expediency all the way.

Corporate money, media influence, and voter appathy force even contentious politicians to be whores.

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 Post subject: Re: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:30 pm 
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A very very rare few will modify their position based on new information.

For the rest it's political expediency all the way.

Corporate money, media influence, and voter apathy force even contentious politicians to be whores.
Yes, all of the above. Minus high tech media, probably little different from political life in Athens.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do politicians reverse their positions?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:35 pm 
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highdesert wrote:
SwampGrouch wrote:
A very very rare few will modify their position based on new information.

For the rest it's political expediency all the way.

Corporate money, media influence, and voter apathy force even contentious politicians to be whores.
Yes, all of the above. Minus high tech media, probably little different from political life in Athens.

But add in population. In Athens you probably knew the politicians personally or knew someone who did. You had a far better idea of who was an arch-bastard.

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