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Inquisitor wrote:So, we have dealt with random folks before, these usually come up when some fine denizen encounters us through a press release or just random searching. Not all of them have been bad, and some have generated registrations by people who would not have found us otherwise, but...

I will keep this updated. Forum members from here who decide to be clever and start or re-kindle wars will be banned, so, proceed with caution. We have this place because we don't want random buffoons pissing on the rug.

But we exist because this is the standard response to the idea of us, confusion, accusation, and outright animosity. As a new member said: I hate that this place has to exist, but I am glad its here.

http://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?nom ... 40&t=35141

Old links that have driven new registrations
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171804

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=796035

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/show ... r-Opposite

Lots of links here from the recent press:

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=25205
Thanks for this post. I debated for a while before looking through the example threads. I've lurked a bit on those sites asked some questions and shared information with knowledgeable people. The reason why I JOINED this club and forum is that on those forums, the vast majority of the threads veered into political discussion usually lead and fed by people who lack critical thinking skills or just love to spew opinion. Now I am a big fan of spewing opinion myself but I don't feel I MUST inject my politics into every aspect of my life. I don't mind disagreeing with people either as long as those people aren't disagreeable...

Anyway, the threads are predictable. Let them wallow in their pissy diapers.

I feel pretty confident in predicting that our members wouldn't seek out to troll those boards because we happen to disagree. At least I hope not or I'd be gone.

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Inquisitor wrote:Well it's the Internet. We are bound to have one or two who would. But we ask members not to and frankly would likely revoke posting privileges of anyone who did.
Thanks for that. This further confirms I made the right choice and I'm in the right place.

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pauliejw wrote:
Inquisitor wrote:Well it's the Internet. We are bound to have one or two who would. But we ask members not to and frankly would likely revoke posting privileges of anyone who did.
Thanks for that. This further confirms I made the right choice and I'm in the right place.
We get enough driveby trolls to not need to go fishing for them :)

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I clicked the akfiles link....wtf did I just read.

So was I automatically made a communist when I joined...or does that come later? Is there a party afterwords? A....communist party...you might say? With equal shares of pie and punch for all?

I'm so so sorry for that, it was terrible but I had to.

Seriously though, those are some pretty terrible human beings.

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This thought is not mine, but I stand behind ot!
The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale.   We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.
And I stand with all The LGC'ers I've met in person and on this forum who also support this statement!
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I haven't had a truly negative experience as a gun owning liberal until today. Naturally it came from Reddit. :wall:

I posted something about liberal gun owners being touchy because we're attacked on both sides. Somebody PMed me calling me the usual crap. We went back and forth a few times until I got this. Reported and blocked.


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Wow, you'd think right-wingers would be happy to see pro-gun progressives, but I guess it is too hard for many of them to step outside their stereotypical way of thinking. Now I understand why people here are paranoid about new members!

Ralph Nader thinks the best way to save the Constitution, fix the economy and stop the foreign military adventures is a left-right populist alliance (pro-constitutional rights, anti-corporate, anti-free trade agreements, anti-interventionist) but I guess he was being an optimist.

American populism is back - on both sides of the aisle
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13569321/
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Inquisitor wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Now I understand why people here are paranoid about new members!
Sadly, yes.

Knightsfan: Stay safe.
Be careful and be aware Knightsfan.

Reading and hearing these type of comments from the right fringe is part of the reason I decided to get better armed than my old air rifle.
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KnightsFan wrote:Thanks y'all, I'm not too worried. He seems more of the keyboard warrior type than a legitimate threat. But still I haven't had somebody say they'd kill me in a few years.
I was shocked when I started hearing and seeing people threaten to kill people with liberal and left political thoughts. Reading comments like that on forums made coming here a relief. Yes some of us are troll sensitive.
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Wow that's a whole lot of love on those forums. Whew. Most of the other gun forums I belong to are very mild and a couple of them don't allow political threads. The craziest one I belong to is The High Road and it seems to have mellowed over the past couple of years. I just avoid the political/social commentary threads. I try to stick to the threads dedicated to firearms and ammo and guns in movies (as in what was used in what movie). I like this forum though. More moderate.
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lurker wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Wow, you'd think right-wingers would be happy to see pro-gun progressives,
some folks' hatred (of liberalism) is stronger than their love (of firearms).
You said it well Lurker. It does not matter to many on the right, the minute they even think your slightly liberal, your pure evil to them. Its splashing holy water onto a demon.. I've had people I have gotten along with very well every time I saw them, and then one day politics come up, and they hear I am more liberal than not, and suddenly they look and act like a pack of wolves circling for the kill. This has happened at 2 different gun stores I - use - to go to.
Even places who sell gun supplies to the masses on the internet will outright bash all liberals, gun owning or not. Cheaper than Dirt is one who does it on their Blog.
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That's true, lurker and dandad. Being a liberal gun owner does not fit into the narrative held by some extremists, and that belief bleeds over into all kinds of public spaces. This place is more moderate, yes.

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Whenever folks around me get on a tear I try to be quiet and leave the room unobtrusively. That's certainly true when I'm in one of my local gun shops. I just don't have the energy anymore to take on multiple attackers. That might be the cowards way out, but it's also a less stressful way which is important now days.......for me.
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i've been wondering lately when and how i became politicized (as much as i am). i grew up blissfully ignorant of race and politics, except that i knew vaguely that some people cared a lot more than i did.
in my home, race, religion and politics simply weren't common topics of discussion, but the outside world seemed to think they were important. i remember my parents and grandparents discussing nixon, kennedy, adalai stevenson, eisenhower and mccarthyism, but it was never heated. i saw black people but it wasn't until high school that i learned that some people thought they were different. my parents served in ww2, but never had a bad word for japanese or german people.
so i guess i was naive and carried a sort of vague apolitical liberal egalitarianism into college, and learned to my surprise that everyone didn't share those sensiblities. except for race, this was the south in the late civil rights era, and it was just something in the air we breathed. like living downwind of a hog farm, you just tuned it out after a while.
my first election cycle, i voted for shirley chisholm, but she never stood a chance of nomination, much less election. cynicism began to set in, supported by the distractions of illicit drugs and the possibility of an all-expense (possibly one-way) trip to southeast asia. after that, earning a living and building a life commanded my attention.
it wasn't until the mid '90s that i took notice of politics and race again. i ran a BBS in the atlanta metro area, and encountered radicalized people who had never really been on my radar. nutjobs were simply irrelevant to me. the internet made them near unavoidable, so i had occasion to hone my views and pay attention. i've watched the rhetoric heat up for 20 years now until it's reached a slow boil. the extremists have entrenched, and are calling on the rest of us to choose sides. i would prefer to live in a world where no one is overly concerned with politics or race or religion, but i think i'm in the wrong universe for that.
i'm not a socially involved kind of guy. i mind my own business and expect others to do the same. i know from history that things happen whether we care or not, and that it's near-impossible to change the hearts of men. so i do what little i can on a personal level, disparaging violence and extremism one-on-one, voting for the lesser of the evils, all of that, but suspect it may not be enough.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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lurker wrote:it wasn't until the mid '90s that i took notice of politics and race again. i ran a BBS in the atlanta metro area, and encountered radicalized people who had never really been on my radar. nutjobs were simply irrelevant to me. the internet made them near unavoidable, so i had occasion to hone my views and pay attention. i've watched the rhetoric heat up for 20 years now until it's reached a slow boil. the extremists have entrenched, and are calling on the rest of us to choose sides. i would prefer to live in a world where no one is overly concerned with politics or race or religion, but i think i'm in the wrong universe for that.
i'm not a socially involved kind of guy. i mind my own business and expect others to do the same. i know from history that things happen whether we care or not, and that it's near-impossible to change the hearts of men. so i do what little i can on a personal level, disparaging violence and extremism one-on-one, voting for the lesser of the evils, all of that, but suspect it may not be enough.
The Internet has defintely led to the hardening of the arteries. Nobody saw that happening. A tale as old as the Human race. I remember twenty-five years ago people thought the Internet and the so-called "Information Superhighway" (remember that one?) was going to lead to a unifying of the the Human Race and a breaking down on political and ideological boundaries, but the opposite has taken place. Like you I'm doing what I can, but I suspect it's not enough either. We seemed to have entered another period of extremism being mainstream. *sigh*
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