Racists shoot Black Lives Matter protesters

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This happened a few days ago, and was largely eclipsed in the public consciousness by the Colorado Springs PP shooting, but it deserves our attention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/4- ... .html?_r=0

There is some discussion about whether the Colorado shooter should be considered a terrorist, given that he apparently acted alone and his motivations were not real clear, but in my mind this Minneapolis group clearly meets every definition of terrorism. They conspired, they were ideologically motivated, and they use used mass and indiscriminate violence. Terrorism.

Obama and the Feds should be focusing on domestic right-wing terrorism, not civilian gun ownership.
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The Colorado Planned Parenthood shooter might just be a deranged person but he was saying things about no more baby parts. If true then that is a terrorist act even if the anti-abortion groups did not order it.
COLORADO SPRINGS — The gunman suspected of storming a Planned Parenthood clinic and killing a police officer and two others used the phrase “no more baby parts’’ to explain his actions, according to a law enforcement official, a comment likely to further inflame the heated rhetoric surrounding abortion.

The attack on the clinic, allegedly by Robert Lewis Dear Jr., was “definitely politically motivated,’’ said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is still underway. NBC News, which first reported the comment, said that Dear also mentioned President Obama in a range of statements to investigators that left his precise motivation unclear.

Yet even as authorities released few details about Friday’s shootings, the politics of the highly charged abortion issue seemed to outstrip their efforts to be methodical. Antiabortion activists denied any knowledge of Dear and said he is not affiliated with their movement, but abortion rights advocates countered that comments by conservatives against Planned Parenthood had precipitated the violence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ge%2Fstory

And the shootings during the black lives matter protest are definitely a terrorist act. Maybe the perps should be sent to Gitmo for a long stay so we can have real terrorists there.
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Elmo wrote:This happened a few days ago, and was largely eclipsed in the public consciousness by the Colorado Springs PP shooting, but it deserves our attention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/4- ... .html?_r=0

There is some discussion about whether the Colorado shooter should be considered a terrorist, given that he apparently acted alone and his motivations were not real clear, but in my mind this Minneapolis group clearly meets every definition of terrorism. They conspired, they were ideologically motivated, and they use used mass and indiscriminate violence. Terrorism.

Obama and the Feds should be focusing on domestic right-wing terrorism, not civilian gun ownership.
Or they are just a small group of young adults, using assorted drugs and not using any signs of intelligence. I don't know if they are capable of ideological motivation. I don't know if they would recognize an ideological motivation if it was explained to them. Sometimes stupid is just stupid. "Hold my beer. Watch this". You may be giving them too much credit.
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Elmo wrote:
Obama and the Feds should be focusing on domestic right-wing terrorism, not civilian gun ownership.
I don't disagree with anything you say but I'm not sure it's clear how they could combat it. I suppose they can infiltrate groups but it's pretty hard to intercede the lone-wolf nutjob types that we often see with homegrown terrorists. But I agree with the thrust of your post; after Paris the focus was clearly on condemning "terror". After all, the guns used were illegal as shit there...no political hay to be made from calling for further restrictions especially since the existing ones were useless. But since guns are legal here the clear focus in on the tool, not the right wing nutjob that pulled the trigger. Of course, there's not a lot of political hay to be made from trying to ban right wing extremists, either.
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Here’s a pretty good story - four have been arrested. It sounds like they are white racists, but it also sounds like there was some kind of altercation and they were being driven away from the protest, not a planned attack. But that is just one suspect's version of events. Not sure who the guy in the photo is, I assume the fourth suspect.

"Scarsella told the officer that he went to the protests, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, to livestream and then got into a confrontation with demonstrators, according to the newspaper."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/polic ... m-shooting
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SilasSoule wrote:Here’s a pretty good story - four have been arrested. It sounds like they are white racists, but it also sounds like there was some kind of altercation and they were being driven away from the protest, not a planned attack. But that is just one suspect's version of events. Not sure who the guy in the photo is, I assume the fourth suspect.

"Scarsella told the officer that he went to the protests, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, to livestream and then got into a confrontation with demonstrators, according to the newspaper."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/polic ... m-shooting
These white supremacists clearly went to the protest looking to start trouble:

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ist-swamps

Under Minnesota law, one of the four criteria for using lethal force in self-defense with a concealed handgun is being a reluctant participant in a conflict. These fascists clearly don't meet that first criterion. I just hope they get hit hard with hate crime charges.
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TrueTexan wrote: And the shootings during the black lives matter protest are definitely a terrorist act. Maybe the perps should be sent to Gitmo for a long stay so we can have real terrorists there.
Aye. "GOP inspired" would be the parallel to "ISIS inspired". This has been going on for a very long time in the US. Conservative propaganda encouraging others to act. They don't often directly say for people to kill others, but they sure imply it and stay quiet when things like this happen. Absolutely terrorism. That's why PP and other clinics have to have escorts.

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Elmo wrote:Obama and the Feds should be focusing on domestic right-wing terrorism, not civilian gun ownership.
Substantial effort has gone into making sure those two things are perceived as one.
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wifesbane wrote:Aye. "GOP inspired" would be the parallel to "ISIS inspired". This has been going on for a very long time in the US. Conservative propaganda encouraging others to act. They don't often directly say for people to kill others, but they sure imply it and stay quiet when things like this happen. Absolutely terrorism. That's why PP and other clinics have to have escorts.
This is Bernie:
I strongly support Planned Parenthood and the work it is doing and hope people realize that bitter rhetoric can have unintended consequences.
link:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/28/ ... toric.html

This is a good example of the conflict between the ideas of freedom and liberty. On the one hand, The People have a free press. On the other hand, The People have lost the meaning of what liberty is.

Liberty bids us ask, "Should I say it?" Freedom lets us say any old thing--up to the point of inciting riots. There's no free speech or free assembly there. That is as it should be. When one understands liberty, we guess about the cumulative effect of decades of this kind of violent rhetoric. We see the connections between that speech and violent acts.

Liberty bids us ask, "Should I say it?" Sometimes we should not, but it's our decision. This is why we have to talk about the meaning of liberty.

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7N6Wolf wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Here’s a pretty good story - four have been arrested. It sounds like they are white racists, but it also sounds like there was some kind of altercation and they were being driven away from the protest, not a planned attack. But that is just one suspect's version of events. Not sure who the guy in the photo is, I assume the fourth suspect.

"Scarsella told the officer that he went to the protests, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, to livestream and then got into a confrontation with demonstrators, according to the newspaper."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/polic ... m-shooting
These white supremacists clearly went to the protest looking to start trouble:

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ist-swamps



Under Minnesota law, one of the four criteria for using lethal force in self-defense with a concealed handgun is being a reluctant participant in a conflict. These fascists clearly don't meet that first criterion. I just hope they get hit hard with hate crime charges.
In MN, there are other charges more serious (felony level)that apply. ie: Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon. If they have previous records of violence, a hate crime may rise to a felony level. Otherwise it is just a misdemeanor. Have to look at the recommended punishment level. "Hate crime" is just a couple of words.

Clarke may have been eligible for a hate crime charge. Beating up and injuring a woman, fighting with first responders to prevent her receiving care, and grabbing a cops gun are all crimes, and he is reported to be a previous offender regarding domestic violence.
Apparently all the witnesses missed the beating, or felt that it was a nonevent. Just a black woman getting beaten on the streets. :sarcasm:
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workinstiff wrote:
bigstones wrote:Right wing noise machine is claiming the black attacked them and it was "self-defense".

That's the first time I've heard that! :whistle:
You need to get out more especially to some of the seedier neighborhoods. For example, I bet you didn't know that Michelle Obama did not give birth to Sasha and Malia. See what you are missing: http://theuspatriot.com/2014/09/24/evid ... and-sasha/
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dougb wrote:
7N6Wolf wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Here’s a pretty good story - four have been arrested. It sounds like they are white racists, but it also sounds like there was some kind of altercation and they were being driven away from the protest, not a planned attack. But that is just one suspect's version of events. Not sure who the guy in the photo is, I assume the fourth suspect.

"Scarsella told the officer that he went to the protests, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, to livestream and then got into a confrontation with demonstrators, according to the newspaper."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/polic ... m-shooting
These white supremacists clearly went to the protest looking to start trouble:

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ist-swamps



Under Minnesota law, one of the four criteria for using lethal force in self-defense with a concealed handgun is being a reluctant participant in a conflict. These fascists clearly don't meet that first criterion. I just hope they get hit hard with hate crime charges.
In MN, there are other charges more serious (felony level)that apply. ie: Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon. If they have previous records of violence, a hate crime may rise to a felony level. Otherwise it is just a misdemeanor. Have to look at the recommended punishment level. "Hate crime" is just a couple of words.

Clarke may have been eligible for a hate crime charge. Beating up and injuring a woman, fighting with first responders to prevent her receiving care, and grabbing a cops gun are all crimes, and he is reported to be a previous offender regarding domestic violence.
Apparently all the witnesses missed the beating, or felt that it was a nonevent. Just a black woman getting beaten on the streets. :sarcasm:
That is only if you believe the po-po. When you compare the official statements in the murder of Laquan McDonald with the video any resemblance seems to be purely coincidental. Keep in mind that there were quite a few officers on the scene and no one contradicted the official account. Also keep in mind that the police deleted 86 minutes of video from the security cameras of a nearby Burger King and that it took the prosecutor over 400 days to file charges in spite of the fact that he or she had the videotape.

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CDFingers wrote:
This is a good example of the conflict between the ideas of freedom and liberty. On the one hand, The People have a free press. On the other hand, The People have lost the meaning of what liberty is.

Liberty bids us ask, "Should I say it?" Freedom lets us say any old thing--up to the point of inciting riots. There's no free speech or free assembly there. That is as it should be. When one understands liberty, we guess about the cumulative effect of decades of this kind of violent rhetoric. We see the connections between that speech and violent acts.

Liberty bids us ask, "Should I say it?" Sometimes we should not, but it's our decision. This is why we have to talk about the meaning of liberty.

CDFingers
Not to be grammar geek, but "liberty" and "freedom" are actually synonymous. "Liberty" is from French (liberte) and "freedom" is from Anglo-Saxon via German (freiheit). There are many of similar pairs in English as a result of the conquest of England by the French speaking Normans. Rage/anger, commence/begin, corpse/body, pardon/forgive, etc., etc.
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"Liberty without socialism is privilege and injustice. Socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality."
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bigstones wrote:
dougb wrote:
7N6Wolf wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Here’s a pretty good story - four have been arrested. It sounds like they are white racists, but it also sounds like there was some kind of altercation and they were being driven away from the protest, not a planned attack. But that is just one suspect's version of events. Not sure who the guy in the photo is, I assume the fourth suspect.

"Scarsella told the officer that he went to the protests, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, to livestream and then got into a confrontation with demonstrators, according to the newspaper."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/polic ... m-shooting
These white supremacists clearly went to the protest looking to start trouble:

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... ist-swamps



Under Minnesota law, one of the four criteria for using lethal force in self-defense with a concealed handgun is being a reluctant participant in a conflict. These fascists clearly don't meet that first criterion. I just hope they get hit hard with hate crime charges.
In MN, there are other charges more serious (felony level)that apply. ie: Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon. If they have previous records of violence, a hate crime may rise to a felony level. Otherwise it is just a misdemeanor. Have to look at the recommended punishment level. "Hate crime" is just a couple of words.

Clarke may have been eligible for a hate crime charge. Beating up and injuring a woman, fighting with first responders to prevent her receiving care, and grabbing a cops gun are all crimes, and he is reported to be a previous offender regarding domestic violence.
Apparently all the witnesses missed the beating, or felt that it was a nonevent. Just a black woman getting beaten on the streets. :sarcasm:
That is only if you believe the po-po. When you compare the official statements in the murder of Laquan McDonald with the video any resemblance seems to be purely coincidental. Keep in mind that there were quite a few officers on the scene and no one contradicted the official account. Also keep in mind that the police deleted 86 minutes of video from the security cameras of a nearby Burger King and that it took the prosecutor over 400 days to file charges in spite of the fact that he or she had the videotape.
Clarke has a record of domestic assault. There is a woman with injuries. There are 911 records of calls. You have medics on the scene. Apparently women get beaten enough in this area that it isn't worth recording. There are at this time no clear videos of the entire event, so maybe there were no witnesses close enough to help the woman-or actually see what happened to Clarke. The McDonald incident is not the Clarke incident and is actually irrelevant. Sometimes the cops are right (actually , usually they are right). The McDonald incident is relevant to the BLM activity, but not to the Clarke incident.
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SilasSoule wrote:Not to be grammar geek, but "liberty" and "freedom" are actually synonymous. "Liberty" is from French (liberte) and "freedom" is from Anglo-Saxon via German (freiheit). There are many of similar pairs in English as a result of the conquest of England by the French speaking Normans. Rage/anger, commence/begin, corpse/body, pardon/forgive, etc., etc.
I've heard that, yeah.

This points to knowing that a C# sounds different on a flute than on a trumpet. Synonyms aren't necessarily equivalents. I think some interesting ideas may squeeze out of an essay examining the difference. I've been hacking at it for a month or so, and it's taking shape. A fun exercise.

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This, from an interesting essay about understanding white male terrorism:
 The myth of white America depends upon denying these basic, shared aspects of our humanity. It means denying the terror we inflict upon others to enable our domination — and seeing every act that opposes our domination as terrorism. The myth will continue to have power until white Americans realize we are connected to the other peoples of this country and this world, that “whiteness” is a myth invented for profit, and that America is an imagined political community like any other, and is only good if we make it so.
link:

http://www.thenation.com/article/how-to ... terrorism/

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dougb wrote:
bigstones wrote:
dougb wrote:In MN, there are other charges more serious (felony level)that apply. ie: Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon. If they have previous records of violence, a hate crime may rise to a felony level. Otherwise it is just a misdemeanor. Have to look at the recommended punishment level. "Hate crime" is just a couple of words.

Clarke may have been eligible for a hate crime charge. Beating up and injuring a woman, fighting with first responders to prevent her receiving care, and grabbing a cops gun are all crimes, and he is reported to be a previous offender regarding domestic violence.
Apparently all the witnesses missed the beating, or felt that it was a nonevent. Just a black woman getting beaten on the streets. :sarcasm:
That is only if you believe the po-po. When you compare the official statements in the murder of Laquan McDonald with the video any resemblance seems to be purely coincidental. Keep in mind that there were quite a few officers on the scene and no one contradicted the official account. Also keep in mind that the police deleted 86 minutes of video from the security cameras of a nearby Burger King and that it took the prosecutor over 400 days to file charges in spite of the fact that he or she had the videotape.
Clarke has a record of domestic assault. There is a woman with injuries. There are 911 records of calls. You have medics on the scene. Apparently women get beaten enough in this area that it isn't worth recording. There are at this time no clear videos of the entire event, so maybe there were no witnesses close enough to help the woman-or actually see what happened to Clarke. The McDonald incident is not the Clarke incident and is actually irrelevant. Sometimes the cops are right (actually , usually they are right). The McDonald incident is relevant to the BLM activity, but not to the Clarke incident.
Whether Clarke had a record of domestic violence and whether he attacked a woman and interfered with first responders is immaterial. None of these are capital offenses and none of these justify killing an unarmed man. Until Rodney King, people believed the police virtually implicitly. With the advent of the video camera and now cell phones, the official police accounts of events have come under greater scrutiny and rightly so. I believe the McDonald case is instructive because it shows police attitudes toward blacks and it shows that even when there are a large number of officers present there is no guarantee the offical version of the incident will even come close to reality. You can implicitly believe the police if you want, but I am withholding judgement until I see more definitive proof. This wouldn't be the first time the victim was supposedly "going for the officer's gun" when he wasn't.

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The reason protesters in Minneapolis are especially upset about Jamar Clark is that witnesses say he was handcuffed when police shot him in the head. It's also possible that they handcuffed him after they shot him. So far the city has refused to release the video.

Ze'Morion Dillon-Hokins, 10, told investigators Jamar Clark, 24, was handcuffed when he was shot by a police officer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... olice.html
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sadly, if you peruse the right wing sites you will see an increasing mentality that the Black Lives Matter members are Terrorist , in the rights eyes, thus, shooting them is totally acceptable. Just as shooting the planned parent hood up was, which the right says it does not condone "BUT" it accepts because there were abortions taking place in there. So they try to shun connection by damning the shooter, but then embrace his actions. And this mentality even extends to their hated enemy, us Liberals. I have actually seen rabid post suggesting liberals be corralled up and gassed like the Germans did the Jews, and other genesis type comments in right wing postings. Just like they do Muslims too. They are working hard at dehumanize people they dont like, then they dont see them as human anymore, and then other human beings have no more thought than they would for a wild animal. And we all know the end results of that type of mass psychological trend. We saw it in Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Uganda, 1930s Germany, and so on. It does not end well.
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bigstones wrote:
dougb wrote:
bigstones wrote:
dougb wrote:In MN, there are other charges more serious (felony level)that apply. ie: Attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon. If they have previous records of violence, a hate crime may rise to a felony level. Otherwise it is just a misdemeanor. Have to look at the recommended punishment level. "Hate crime" is just a couple of words.

Clarke may have been eligible for a hate crime charge. Beating up and injuring a woman, fighting with first responders to prevent her receiving care, and grabbing a cops gun are all crimes, and he is reported to be a previous offender regarding domestic violence.
Apparently all the witnesses missed the beating, or felt that it was a nonevent. Just a black woman getting beaten on the streets. :sarcasm:
That is only if you believe the po-po. When you compare the official statements in the murder of Laquan McDonald with the video any resemblance seems to be purely coincidental. Keep in mind that there were quite a few officers on the scene and no one contradicted the official account. Also keep in mind that the police deleted 86 minutes of video from the security cameras of a nearby Burger King and that it took the prosecutor over 400 days to file charges in spite of the fact that he or she had the videotape.
Clarke has a record of domestic assault. There is a woman with injuries. There are 911 records of calls. You have medics on the scene. Apparently women get beaten enough in this area that it isn't worth recording. There are at this time no clear videos of the entire event, so maybe there were no witnesses close enough to help the woman-or actually see what happened to Clarke. The McDonald incident is not the Clarke incident and is actually irrelevant. Sometimes the cops are right (actually , usually they are right). The McDonald incident is relevant to the BLM activity, but not to the Clarke incident.
Whether Clarke had a record of domestic violence and whether he attacked a woman and interfered with first responders is immaterial. None of these are capital offenses and none of these justify killing an unarmed man. Until Rodney King, people believed the police virtually implicitly. With the advent of the video camera and now cell phones, the official police accounts of events have come under greater scrutiny and rightly so. I believe the McDonald case is instructive because it shows police attitudes toward blacks and it shows that even when there are a large number of officers present there is no guarantee the offical version of the incident will even come close to reality. You can implicitly believe the police if you want, but I am withholding judgement until I see more definitive proof. This wouldn't be the first time the victim was supposedly "going for the officer's gun" when he wasn't.
Wouldn't be the first person who went for the cops gun, but apparently it would be better if the cop lets the BG take a shot or two. He wasn't shot for domestic violence or interfering. According to the cops, Clarkes hand was on his gun. And no, you are not withholding judgement.
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Seems one of the shooters involved with the Black Lives Matter shooting subscribes to the sovereign citizen ideas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... ubculture/g
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TrueTexan wrote:Seems on of the shooters involved with the Black Lives Matter shooting subscribes to the sovereign citizen ideas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... ubculture/

hmm, sounds like they are from Texas :laugh: http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives ... resolution
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