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Check out this link. From the point of view of machining involved I see no reason for the AR15 triggers to be double or more the price of the Rem 700, etc. This is pure and simple price gouging and I wouldn't be surprised to find there is collusion and price fixing going on, too, since Geissele, etc are all about the same price.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?promotion ... =103152583

I have no problem with this expression of Capitalism.
There are essential items and there are non-essential items.
Food, medical care, reasonable housing, clothing, heat during winter are all essentials, and some form of price control is needed.
Just about everything else is a non essential choice, and the laws of supply and demand, including market manipulation, are perfectly ok with me. If someone wants an iPad (or any Apple product), and is willing to pay twice what its worth for a non-essential toy, fine. If Midway could get away with charging $1000 for a trigger, and people are willing to pay that price, fine.

Lol, you want price gouging?

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/s ... post200269

This is now $75 and no, it's not motorized.



Edit: point: Price gouging is everwhere these days.

I'm laughing at every American who thinks they know what something is "worth".

It's the design and tooling costs that influence price more than actual cost of production with most consumer goods. It's market scale that influences what the minimum operational margin is. Every time I hear someone say "this should cost no more than that" they are inevitably comparing apples to oranges, even if the objects are quite similar.

You think $200 is expensive for a trigger? You'd have to pay me five times that to make you one of similar quality.

Those Timney Mauser and Rem 700 triggers are so cheap because they sell so many of them and have been selling them forever. When they add a new bolt-action trigger to their line-up, they are changing the mounting tabs not the internal design.

Price fixing is relevant for commodities, but not for luxuries. This trigger is a luxury.

Funny thing about the subjective value of objects

I create a widget with X input. I CAN sell it for 300X. I take 300X and I spend it. Now for my 1 X I put into the system I get to make 300 people input X or one person input 300X. or however you want to divide it.

Now if you extrapolate this out what happens is that we're producing more than we're inputting. except you can't actually do that because lets say everyone puts in X that's 6 billion something X and we need say 10 billion X to make everything.... That input has to come from somewhere and someone has to take a cut so a lot of people end up inputting 1 x and getting out... less than one.

And this goes for every object or service rendered. and it ties back in with the fact that we as americans in a capitalist society have lost the understanding of what money is, money is a store of value, inflating it via "market values" means someone is getting fleeced.

Edit: notice I said input not man hours.

There are a lot of things that factor into that price. I think one of the big things is quality control. People expect perfection from these triggers so they have to spend a lot of time making sure each product is right on the money. Are the manufacturing costs super high, no probably not. However I am sure it takes a lot of testing to create a good trigger and these aren't massive corporations. I can understand your frustration though. I just spent 140 bucks on a FF handguard which is basically a piece of extruded aluminum pipe.

As a designer and machinist I disagree. Once the design is firm (and it's not like there are a lot of novel advances to be made in trigger design) and the CNC programmed the prices should be no different.

My apologies. I hadn't had my coffee yet and responded to the idea of your post, but not to you. Please excuse my crankypants.

There are three internal parts on a standard Timney bolt gun trigger. Not being completely familiar with the internals of their AR trigger, but guessing based on my experience of their bolt trigger design, I'd put internal parts count for the AR model at 4 or 5. That doesn't count springs, pins and screws. There is one critical engagement interaction between parts in the bolt trigger and at least two in the AR trigger. There is also a more difficult spring compression step in the assembly of the AR trigger.

Working it through, that actually sounds like about double the price to me.

Is the pricing actually based on cost of production rather than what they guess the market will bear? Probably not.

Ah, first-world problems.

Given the widespread availability of AR triggers form numerous sources, some much less and some more expensive, there's no evidence of collusion.

The nicest AK triggers I've seen are still in the $70-100 range...

Yeah?...Well... Well... Fuck you, man! At least I can hit what I'm aiming at with my awesome trigger when my rifle isn't jamming.

Any suggestions/recommendations MtMan?

... I seem to remember you hitting what you aimed at with mine just fine...oh yeah and no jams...

After looking at the work my dear spouse did in an engineering design course (mechanical drawing on steroids is more what it looked like), my guess it isn't just what it actually cost to produce, it's what it cost to get to the point of production that we are paying for...and then of course there is the tried and true mantra of capitolism:


As long as we keep paying, the manufacturers will keep charging.

I am as guilty as the next...I just dropped $180 on a Geissele.

Is it the best fucking thing EVER?

I just put in a very smooth 2lb range two stage trigger on my mosin for less than $5... hate me.

Speaking of which i've been asked to do a write up on that and I think I will when things clam down and I go to do the other upgrades to the trigger.

I don't hate poor people, I'm a Liberal.

Thanks now I have to clean milk off my screen.

A buddy of mine swears by his Rock River 2 stage.

I don't know...now that I bought it, I can't afford bullets.

dude mosins man, cheap guns cheap barrels, cheap ammo, highly moddable (even if it is sacrilegious). And the ammo's steel core, what more could you want?

From a guy who owns nice bolties and now a nice semi.

We don't even hate armed poor people!

(That makes us damn near unique....)

You'd sing a different tune if you had MY mosin (which is soon to get a new barrel, just have to find a shop to install it). But I also got SUPER lucky with a mosin that had a VERY smooth action.

lmfao.