The Liberal Gun Club Forum

Ft. Collins is unique. It is probably the nicest city in Colorado. It's a beautiful location nestled up against the mountains. The only problem with it is, if you want to be a criminal defense lawyer, you'll never get rich in Ft. Collins. There is a shotage of business.

I disagree with the Texas ban on CHLs on campus. I used to work for a state university; I could be trusted anywhere else in Denton, Texas, but when I set foot on my campus, suddenly I had to be disarmed. WTF!?

In Texas, you'd have to be 21 and up to get a CHL in the first place, so we're not talking about "typical drunk college students" of the 18-20 age demographic.
We're talking about seniors, mostly, and staff, and graduate students. Some of whom are non-traditional age and female, take night classes and have to walk to their cars at night. The ban disarms them, and even campus police can't be everywhere at once.

I was made to watch a video, presented by our campus pd, on what staff should do in the event of an active shooter situation. The video outright admitted that most "active shooter" scenarios would be over before police could arrive. Basically the video advised people to run/hide (well, duh) but that if cornered you would need to have a strong will to survive and resist by any means at your disposal, throwing a coffee mug, whatever. That part of the video made my blood boil. Because some people think guns on campus are "icky", I have to face down an armed assailant with a coffee mug. Gee, thanks. Please, Mr. Armed Nutjob, wait until I can clock out, go home, get my carry gun and then you can start your rampage.

I do not support banning guns on campus and when someone brings up the "drunken college student" canard, it tells me they probably haven't thought through the issue very far.

"How can police tell which are the bad guys??"

If the campus PD happens to arrive and yells "Put your guns down", the CHLs will comply, and the active shooter will keep shooting, most likely.

Lifting campus bans would most likely empower adult staff and faculty to carry, and perhaps a few serious minded graduate students and about-to-graduate seniors.

Good post JJR, I am in full agreement. I currently work on a couple of college campuses, and I have worked on several other campuses for all of my adult life, at least part time. I feel the same way you do. I am all for Concealed Carry for qualified individuals.




http://concealedcampus.org/common_arguments.php

Really rushed for time here, but I just want to throw in that the gun ban on campus didn't protect anybody at Virginia Tech.
And, sadly, neither did the cops.

If anybody wants to yell at me for that, you'll have to wait until Tues. Sorry.

I don't know if a one-size solution can be found. I think the probability is lower for a crazed gunman to cross my path than a Upright Citizen legally carrying who doesn't know J.S. about the loaded gun they have on them.

But all in all, I'm OK to carry.

Here are a couple of links:

Gainesville, Fl (pop. 278,375)

https://www.gainesvillepd.org/index.php ... me-reports

University of Florida (located in Gainesville) (student pop. 50,000, plus faculty staff, etc)

http://www.police.ufl.edu/pdf_files/200 ... mpus-9.pdf

I'm no statistician, but here you go.

It just doesn't seem like a good idea.

You aren't allowed to have personal weapons or live ammo for service weapons (unless you're an on duty MP) in an Army Barracks, with good reason.

Make it mandatory everyone buy a can of mace with their laptop.

+1, as I said earlier in this thread.

If someone wants to kill a mass number of people, they're going to do it no matter what because they already made the decision that their life is over.
Guns are not a deterant in preventing depressed or psychotic people from going postal nor is 2-3 people out of 100 who have a gun going to stop a gunman spraying lead all over the room; they'll be pissing their pants like everyone else.

As far as 21 and up not being drunk on campus...the group I ran with from 21-23 was trashed 24/7 with booze, blow, and aderole. Sometimes we stayed up for 4 or 5 days straight
I (half) remember one time we were outside arguing with a bunch of no good shitbums (who got thrown out later that semester). Some guy was mouthing off about my confederate flag in my room. I got mad and went back in via the window (that's how we went in and out since we were on the ground floor). Well he opened the window and tryed crawling in. I jumped up and slammed the windown down on his throat trying to choke him to death as everyone was prying me in and him out. You can bet all the money in the world that had I had a handgun in my room I would have killed him without a second thought concidering everyone's state of mind.
He was actually halfway decent the few times I saw him sober.


It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that with most college shootings the shooters are typically over 21 years of age.

I have mixed feelings about carry on campus.

Amir - what are those stats supposed to tell us? All I see is that there are different crime rates for on vs. off campus. Almost any college you go to has a different crime rate than the surrounding population does - by definition, these kids are not your common street thugs. Which is why its hard to determine whether college campuses are safer by and large because there are not guns, are in spite of the fact that there are no guns.

BTW, BE.... turns out I went to high school with a guy who is a prominent criminal defense attorney in Colorado Springs. Of course, that means that I am sure you would know him - but I don't think its wise, for him or for myself, to tell you who he is Mostly, I just wanted to say that the world is strangely small sometimes.