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shinzen wrote:
SwampGrouch wrote:Please don't tell us you had bologna on Wonder Bread and a vanilla shake for lunch. ;)
I'd say that georgiaRN likes a bit of spice anyway. Otherwise, why be here? And yeah, total lefty in contemporary politics. Not sure what that makes me...
Well first off... I am a male nurse, that pushes me left. As a male nurse that goes to nursing school and then to work in a female dominated profession, any right wing views of women quickly go out the window. I know women in the hospital that are very much more professional capable than myself. In nursing your co-workers are female, your bosses are female. I am actually pro-gay, essentially because I believe that there is no reason to impede the rights of the gay community. These answers left me very centric on the test. I also swing left on environmental issues.

(I also went from homophobic to homophilic in the "party days." I absorbed a new positive view, but a very limited scope. My experience was limited to night clubs, techno, and other "stereotypes" that represent a limited scope of the gay community. This time period was the late 90s and early 2000s. This was a very "metro-sexual" time in Atlanta. While I favor the gay community in a positive light, if you asked me about my personal experiences it may be a bit "stereotypical," so I generally do not mention it often.)

I am come to the LGC forums because it is the only firearms forum that has consistent maturity and is devoid of general adolescent behavior. That being said, there is no escaping my conservative upbringing. Those thoughts occasionally come sneak through in my posts. I won't really go into all the conservative thoughts here.

The net effect of me is a strange moderate, almost a Jekyll and Hyde thought process in some cases. I am always at conflict with myself. In whatever moments of clarity I can achieve, I realize that I am a good person and I love people. I think that is why Libertarians is the party that I landed on. I am purple like Georgia. I generally find myself angry with the extremists concepts on both the right and the left.
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GeorgiaRN wrote: Well first off... I am a male nurse, that pushes me left. As a male nurse that goes to nursing school and then to work in a female dominated profession, any right wing views of women quickly go out the window. I know women in the hospital that are very much more professional capable than myself. In nursing your co-workers are female, your bosses are female. I am actually pro-gay, essentially because I believe that there is no reason to impede the rights of the gay community. These answers left me very centric on the test. I also swing left on environmental issues.

(I also went from homophobic to homophilic in the "party days." I absorbed a new positive view, but a very limited scope. My experience was limited to night clubs, techno, and other "stereotypes" that represent a limited scope of the gay community. This time period was the late 90s and early 2000s. This was a very "metro-sexual" time in Atlanta. While I favor the gay community in a positive light, if you asked me about my personal experiences it may be a bit "stereotypical," so I generally do not mention it often.)

I am come to the LGC forums because it is the only firearms forum that has consistent maturity and is devoid of general adolescent behavior. That being said, there is no escaping my conservative upbringing. Those thoughts occasionally come sneak through in my posts. I won't really go into all the conservative thoughts here.

The net effect of me is a strange moderate, almost a Jekyll and Hyde thought process in some cases. I am always at conflict with myself. In whatever moments of clarity I can achieve, I realize that I am a good person and I love people. I think that is why Libertarians is the party that I landed on. I am purple like Georgia. I generally find myself angry with the extremists concepts on both the right and the left.
I can relate to this post having been in Heath Care 40 years and a Male RN 36 almost 37 years. As for the homophobic to hemophilic it was due to working around so many people in healthcare that are of LGBT community. Found out it doesn't rub off and went to parties drank beer with them after work. found out they are just people same issues I had with work and day to day problems of life. I accepted them for what they are and they accepted me. We had an agreement I'm straight your Gay leave it at that.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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My personal experience has very little in common with yours, GeogiaRN, but that scattering from right to left is there. I am not 'pro-gay' so much as uninterested in the supposedly associated distinctions. I also have, over the course of a long life, come to the conclusion that the Y chromosome is a defect with far-reaching consequences. I arrived at that conclusion even before being diagnosed with 2nd unset prostate cancer, because we Y guys behave even more irrationally than the preponderance of women.

Today on another forum I stumbled into a thread wherein the related subjects were the uselessness of the Constitution, the clear right to secede, and the unratified condition of the 14th Amendment. Leapin' Lizards.

:sick:
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CoMF wrote:Just for the lulz, I took the "World's Smallest Political Quiz" to see if the results would be different. Nope. Centrist libertarian, AGAIN. :lol:

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I can never decide what I think of that test. I think there might be some validity to the notion that as one approaches an extreme on any axis, nuance in other aspects diminishes in its influence. On the other hand, it certainly serves the contemporary Libertarian Party to elide the difference between leftist anarchists and capitalist anarchists, claiming to value freedom above all while clearly standing at one extreme of that spectrum.

Notice in the test linked earlier that "conservative" on the horizontal axis is also labeled (libertarian) and "libertarian" on the vertical axis is also labeled (anarchist). Two distinct and potentially contradictory uses of the word. The Libertarian Party seems to love this lack of precision and the size increase it gives to their funnel for collecting teenage boys who like porn and weed.

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AmirMortal wrote:...So I'm currently having a bologna sandwich on potato bread with sriracha and bleu cheese. Yes, it what was in my bachelor-ass fridge.
Ooooo....match that with an obscure microbrew and you got you some cuisine there!
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CoMF wrote:Just for the lulz, I took the "World's Smallest Political Quiz" to see if the results would be different. Nope. Centrist libertarian, AGAIN. :lol:
Hmmmm....
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Oh, the smallest propaganda quiz from right wing anarchists?

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Sorry but that thing is the most useless quiz on the internet and given everything else out there, that takes a bit of work to accomplish. God save me from people who think they will go from the bottom 1% to the top 1% after the revolution based on writings designed to make gods out of the current 1%...
Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance
like no-one is watching.
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Fukshot wrote:Notice in the test linked earlier that "conservative" on the horizontal axis is also labeled (libertarian) and "libertarian" on the vertical axis is also labeled (anarchist). Two distinct and potentially contradictory uses of the word. The Libertarian Party seems to love this lack of precision and the size increase it gives to their funnel for collecting teenage boys who like porn and weed.
Ain't that the truth. There are indeed many flavors of libertarian/anarchist/minarchist/individualist/etc., something which the LP seems to gloss over. I'll hazard a guess you're anarcho-syndicalist?
wlewisiii wrote:Oh, the smallest propaganda quiz from right wing anarchists?

Sorry but that thing is the most useless quiz on the internet and given everything else out there, that takes a bit of work to accomplish.
Seeing your results and SG's, I'd have to agree with you. Neither one of you come across as authoritarian to me.

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CoMF wrote: Seeing your results and SG's, I'd have to agree with you. Neither one of you come across as authoritarian to me.
Only when I was a sergeant in the army and even then only on the job ;) At least that's how I hope I have lived this life.

But as a good democratic socialist follower of Mike Harrington? There's something I'd be happy to plead guilty to.
Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance
like no-one is watching.
Alex White

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CoMF wrote:I'll hazard a guess you're anarcho-syndicalist?
I lean that way, but I'm too pragmatic in my approaches and way too uninterested in re-living early 20th century German betrayals to claim that name in the modern world.

I have no time for manarchists. Kropotkin's 19th century Christian Patriarchal bullshit leaves me completely dry. I actually believe that "the state" or "government" can be a collectively used tool to crush the power of capital gradually and peacefully in the best of circumstances.

My actual beliefs about what the world should be if I had the power to make it so, yeah you've got it pretty much right. I tend to care more about the distribution equity piece than the anti-authoritarian piece, but not very much more.

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Interesting... Since you shared so much, I'll confess that in my youth, I identified as an-cap. Long story short, I got older and wiser. (i.e. Disillusioned when I reached the epiphany that it was essentially trading one oligarchy for another. NO THANKS.) The "individualist" moniker seems to fit me better these days, though admittedly more in the vein of Lysander Spooner than Max Stirner.

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It has been my experience that anarchists either learn better or simply live within the fantasy that they'll come out on top after the "revolution".

Elections are a messy biz but it's often less messy (and a goddamm sight less bloody) to try again if the first one doesn't go our way than if we lose at the game of revolution.
Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance
like no-one is watching.
Alex White

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Fukshot wrote:
CoMF wrote:I'll hazard a guess you're anarcho-syndicalist?
I lean that way, but I'm too pragmatic in my approaches and way too uninterested in re-living early 20th century German betrayals to claim that name in the modern world.

I have no time for manarchists. Kropotkin's 19th century Christian Patriarchal bullshit leaves me completely dry. I actually believe that "the state" or "government" can be a collectively used tool to crush the power of capital gradually and peacefully in the best of circumstances.

My actual beliefs about what the world should be if I had the power to make it so, yeah you've got it pretty much right. I tend to care more about the distribution equity piece than the anti-authoritarian piece, but not very much more.
I agree that .gov can and should be a collective, and that regulating capitalism properly would be its prime directive.

Dang, FS. You would be extra-fun to have coffee with on a regular basis. Helluva drive, though.

CDFingers
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like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack

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GeorgiaRN wrote:
shinzen wrote:
SwampGrouch wrote:Please don't tell us you had bologna on Wonder Bread and a vanilla shake for lunch. ;)
I'd say that georgiaRN likes a bit of spice anyway. Otherwise, why be here? And yeah, total lefty in contemporary politics. Not sure what that makes me...
Well first off... I am a male nurse, that pushes me left. As a male nurse that goes to nursing school and then to work in a female dominated profession, any right wing views of women quickly go out the window. I know women in the hospital that are very much more professional capable than myself. In nursing your co-workers are female, your bosses are female. I am actually pro-gay, essentially because I believe that there is no reason to impede the rights of the gay community. These answers left me very centric on the test. I also swing left on environmental issues.

(I also went from homophobic to homophilic in the "party days." I absorbed a new positive view, but a very limited scope. My experience was limited to night clubs, techno, and other "stereotypes" that represent a limited scope of the gay community. This time period was the late 90s and early 2000s. This was a very "metro-sexual" time in Atlanta. While I favor the gay community in a positive light, if you asked me about my personal experiences it may be a bit "stereotypical," so I generally do not mention it often.)

I am come to the LGC forums because it is the only firearms forum that has consistent maturity and is devoid of general adolescent behavior. That being said, there is no escaping my conservative upbringing. Those thoughts occasionally come sneak through in my posts. I won't really go into all the conservative thoughts here.

The net effect of me is a strange moderate, almost a Jekyll and Hyde thought process in some cases. I am always at conflict with myself. In whatever moments of clarity I can achieve, I realize that I am a good person and I love people. I think that is why Libertarians is the party that I landed on. I am purple like Georgia. I generally find myself angry with the extremists concepts on both the right and the left.
The Democrats in my state are further right than the Republicans in California. I'm a conservative person fiscally, but not a money hoarder. I understand the concept of paying for stuff to make things better. If you surround yourself with hardworking people and share the wealth, you'll make money and friends at the same time. I like roads, water, electricity and educated people wherever I travel so taxes are a necessary evil. But I don't like a lot of debt to do things. Getting underwater to buy the latest trinket seems to be the way of the world; especially around my extended "conservative" family. And that's not surprisingly, the same thing we get from Washington; the government we voted for and deserve.

The hypocrisy is the thing that gets me. My in-laws are Republicans that collect SS, Medicare, VA benifits, a teacher's pension. They're the biggest socialists I know. The vast majority of their income came from or is coming from taxpayer money. Yet they are against government spending. It makes my head hurt. I poke them with a stick over it every once and a while by telling them we should get rid of all the socialist programs like SS and Medicare since they won't be around when I'm old enough to collect.

Clinton and Obama are corporatist republicans who do a better job of paying as they go and balancing the budget. Republicans are authoritarians, borrowing the country into debt through the military which leaves nothing to show for a return on investment. If they were only more like Nixon. Doesn't that say a lot? I don't know why any minority or woman would ever vote for them given their outright spite and greed. They are followed closely by the Democrats who at least push us the scraps from the table instead of feeding them to the dogs.

I came here because of the not so thinly veiled racism of most places once Obama was elected, the general absence of paranoia, and because most here undertand what they read.
Brian

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inomaha wrote:
GeorgiaRN wrote:
shinzen wrote: The hypocrisy is the thing that gets me. My in-laws are Republicans that collect SS, Medicare, VA benifits, a teacher's pension. They're the biggest socialists I know. The vast majority of their income came from or is coming from taxpayer money. Yet they are against government spending. It makes my head hurt. I poke them with a stick over it every once and a while by telling them we should get rid of all the socialist programs like SS and Medicare since they won't be around when I'm old enough to collect.
I run into people like that all the time. For example, when I sold my house in Maryland, I had to listen to the buyers bitch and badmouth Obama for three hours while we waited for the VA to finalized their loan because they didn't get their shit together. To these folks, any type of government assistance or program is an entitlement until unless they're the ones receiving the benefit. Then it becomes something owed to them.

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The easiest way to free capital would be to reinstate the death tax. I'd even call it the "can't take it with you/spoiled rich kid tax" just to poke the rich.

Anything over $10 million in an estate is forefit. Make it $20 million if you want to be generous. That would force the rich to stay rich through their children working and could possibly make them pay everyone else better along the way since they know they can't keep it.

Corporations should be required to be profit sharing with the lowest and highest compensation tied to each other. If you don't like it then the company stay private and hoard all you want. But to get corporate protection of your personal assets, you share with the others in the corporation. Lower risk, lower rewards.

I'd like to see a constitutional amendment stating that you can only contribute money to the campaign of a person you can vote for. And since corporations can't vote they can't contribute money. That way PACs of people can't send money from out of state to support people running in my district. They are supposed to represent me, not someone from another state.
Brian

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I like this quiz better because it allows you to more flexibility. http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html You can not only agree/disagree but you can select how much bearing each question has. That way if you agree with something but don't care about it as much, that question doesn't have as much weight as agreeing but really caring about it.

The results for me were similar to the other test but for different reasons.

Left: -2.43, Libertarian: -4.58

Maybe I'm getting more non-intervetionist and anti-military and more hippy in my old age.
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