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Xela wrote:The BBC continually reports of "gun crime" increases...

Gun crime in London increases by 42%. 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

London gun crime figures increase. 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 191769.stm

Gun crime on increase, Leeds told. 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 587417.stm

Police force sees gun crime increase. 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2642329.stm

Try to spin it even...

Gun crime 'slowdown' despite rise, 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3419941.stm

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Sounds likely they have a law and order, and violence issue.
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BBC...

Birmingham gun crime spike 'of great concern': Police boss. 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-35242140

"5,864 firearms offences, up by 13% largely due to a rise in crimes involving handguns." 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39729601

And don't get me started on "knife crime"....

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sikacz wrote:
Xela wrote:The BBC continually reports of "gun crime" increases...

Gun crime in London increases by 42%. 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

London gun crime figures increase. 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 191769.stm

Gun crime on increase, Leeds told. 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 587417.stm

Police force sees gun crime increase. 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2642329.stm

Try to spin it even...

Gun crime 'slowdown' despite rise, 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3419941.stm

X
Sounds likely they have a law and order, and violence issue.
Yes. Root cause mitigation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of ... hakespeare
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-20861868

But then this (facepalm):
"The mother of a teenager gunned down in a drive-by shooting has warned of "complacency" after funding was cut for her campaign to tackle violent crime."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-40929750

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eelj wrote:European countries have their own problems and we have ours. I don't think it's fair to compare.
Very true. I've said many times it's not a fair comparison. Unfortunately, the reporters and restriction advocates keep bringing it up. In that context, it's perfectly acceptable in my view to occasionally show that strict gun control laws and bans did not eliminate violence and crime, nor did it eliminate crime with a gun.
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Talking point when a journalist suggests banning semi-auto firearms: "Well, banning alcohol and drugs has clearly not worked, so why do you thing banning semi-automatic firearms would work? It would just create a huge opportunity for organized crime, without any regulation whatsoever."
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I finally had a chance to watch this.

Congratulations and thanks to all of you!

Whenever we talk with the press we go in knowing they will control the overall message, and the best we can hope for is make a few cogent points and make a good account of ourselves by way of publicizing our organization.

You all succeeded completely on that score.

By the way, what indoor range was that?
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shinzen wrote:It was Guns Fishin and stuff in Vacaville. Seems that the owner is very friendly to the press, willing to let the facilities get used to help show non-crazy gun owners

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I thought it might be. I shot there often when I used to work out that way.

At the time, I had the impression the range was quite welcoming to new shooters of very diverse backgrounds.
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Europeans may say they have tackled their gun problem, that's false it's just gone underground.
In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife. “There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.” But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash. “It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

European leaders have made tighter controls on weapons trafficking a priority in recent weeks, following the killing of 17 people in Paris by three attackers. The shootings in Copenhagen this past weekend, which left two people dead, raised the ominous prospect of copycat attacks across Europe. But officials acknowledge there is no clear solution. The same open-border policies that allow people and goods to flow freely across the continent also make it extremely difficult to crack down on illegal weapons — a fact that arms dealers have been all too eager to exploit. “You can find Kalashnikovs for sale near the train station in Brussels,” acknowledged a Brussels-based European Union official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. “They’re available even to very average criminals.” In the case of the Paris attackers, they were able to obtain an entire arsenal: AK-47 assault rifles, pistols, a Skorpion submachine gun and even a rocket-propelled-grenade launcher. All of it was purchased in Brussels for about $5,000, according to Belgian media reports.

The availability of such weapons in the heart of Western Europe isn’t new. The flood of high-powered weaponry began with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and continued through the 1990s as war raged across the Balkans. Many of the weapons from those periods are still circulating. They have lately been supplemented by an influx from the turmoil in North Africa, with weapons smuggled on ships across the Mediterranean. The guns have been used primarily by criminal gangs that turn them on one another during periodic turf wars. But beginning with attacks in the French city of Toulouse in 2012 that left seven people dead, guns have also become the weapon of choice for Islamist terrorists in Europe. That’s a shift from the last decade, when bombs were used in mass-casualty attacks on transit systems in London and Madrid.

The new tactics may reflect the lone-wolf nature of the recent assailants, who seem to have operated with relative autonomy and not as part of centrally directed terrorist plots. Analysts say explosives can be easier to detect than guns and are harder to transport and assemble. Guns also require less expertise, allowing even petty gangsters such as Omar Abdel Hamid el-Hussein, the assailant in Copenhagen, to carry out deadly strikes. The use of guns has enabled terrorists to pick their victims more precisely. In Paris and Copenhagen, the targets were the same: cartoonists, police officers and Jews. Guns have also been the weapon of choice in other recent lone-wolf attacks carried out in Ottawa and Sydney, suggesting the problem is hardly limited to Europe.

But it is a particularly challenging issue for Europe because of the continent’s open borders. With 28 countries in the European Union, each with its own rules and regulations, controlling the flow of weapons has been nearly impossible.“A firearm that is illegal in one country may be legal in another,” said Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the London-based Royal United Services Institute. “You have continuous land all the way through to Russia and into the Balkans, which of course until a few decades ago was a war zone.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... e8a7fa6a08
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