Something myself and two of my friends have discussed is how awesome we thought it would be to have period based 3 gun competitions. The one we discussed the most was WW1, to give an example. The rifle/ carbine could be filled by really anything accurate to the time period, since standardization of arms and ammo was rough at best. M1903 springfield, BAR, MP 18, or a Lewis gun to give you primary weapon examples. As a shotgun, again anything accurate to the period so 1897 Winchester, Remington model 10, Remington model 11, or Fn/Browning auto 5 etc. Handgun 1911 (basic GI model would qualify even though it's not exactly period correct), certain webleys, Schofield, Gasser etc. I know the practicality is low considering the price of these weapons and their reproductions. However, if this caught on maybe it would encourage companies to start reproducing some of these old war horses at a lower cost for the new market. (Optimistic with capitalism I know but I can dream damnit.)
Course of fire could get really creative with the start line being in a trench, on the whistle blow climb out, advance across no mans land, firing on the move at various targets to the next trench. Switch to shotgun, clear the trench of targets raid style, ending with a short skeet section to simulate one of the trench gunner tasks of the time, shooting down incoming grenades. Simulate end of ammo, drop shotgun and pull service sidearm, engage targets in the last pillbox/ bunker, (one handed only as per the time, so Olympic style) end course of fire. And by no means would you be expected to dress period correctly, but your ammo carry, and holsters would have to be. So no crazy Kydex webley holster, likely a canvas or leather flap holster, etc.
Other periods discussed were WWII, Korea, Vietnam, even briefly discussed revolutionary war, though this I believe would be impractical for simple reload speed between targets, unless you somehow managed to carry, I don't know roughly 50 flintlock pistols on your person and just dropped one every time you shot a target.
Thoughts?
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2Uncommon, but there are competitions out there.
InRangeTV films a lot of theirs...mostly out of the Arizona.
InRangeTV films a lot of theirs...mostly out of the Arizona.
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3Did not know that, thank you. That's pretty amazing and awesome.atxgunguy wrote:Uncommon, but there are competitions out there.
InRangeTV films a lot of theirs...mostly out of the Arizona.
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4Would love to see that done on a little bit more elaborate scale though.
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5Very Cool idea.
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6Careful, InRange and their sister channel ForgottenWeapons are dangerous rabbit holes of entertainment.FlyGuy wrote:Very Cool idea.
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7What do you have in mind?WinterbornArms wrote:Would love to see that done on a little bit more elaborate scale though.
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8A worthy idea. I recall hearing about M1 Garand action shooting matches in recent years, somewhere in Texas, I think.
The best example along these lines is Cowboy Action Shooting, http://www.sassnet.com/, which seems to have a lively following.
A key, I think, is to not think in terms of re-enactment with live ammo, but rather an action shooting match with special equipment rules.
Then make the rules as straightforward as possible. Try to avoid religious wars over period correctness, etc.
Recently here in Richmond CA there was a an action shooting match geared toward AK-47s. The rule was based on the ammo used -- 7.62 rimmed cartridge, I believe, which would allow SKS, SVT, M-N, and any kind of copy of those rifles. I believe it was well attended.
I really think anything goes along these lines for action matches as long as you have a place to shoot, people to organize and run it safely (preferably with match experience), and most importantly, enough people to participate and fill out whatever equipment divisions or classifications you contemplate.
The best example along these lines is Cowboy Action Shooting, http://www.sassnet.com/, which seems to have a lively following.
A key, I think, is to not think in terms of re-enactment with live ammo, but rather an action shooting match with special equipment rules.
Then make the rules as straightforward as possible. Try to avoid religious wars over period correctness, etc.
Recently here in Richmond CA there was a an action shooting match geared toward AK-47s. The rule was based on the ammo used -- 7.62 rimmed cartridge, I believe, which would allow SKS, SVT, M-N, and any kind of copy of those rifles. I believe it was well attended.
I really think anything goes along these lines for action matches as long as you have a place to shoot, people to organize and run it safely (preferably with match experience), and most importantly, enough people to participate and fill out whatever equipment divisions or classifications you contemplate.
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9Occaisionally, I see guys (it's always been guys so far) on the line at Highpower matches dressed as a WWII paratrooper, WWI doughboy, etc, with matching period rifle
Its fun and they get lots of attention. Why not a whole match?
Edit: I meant CMP Service Rifle, not Highpower.
Its fun and they get lots of attention. Why not a whole match?
Edit: I meant CMP Service Rifle, not Highpower.
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10The cowboy folks have “wild bunch” matches that allow early configuration 1911s. Don’t know what their rifle rules are.
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11I recall reading that the "Hard as Hell" Multigun match this year included a stage described as "clearing WWI-style trenches". Those competitors would have been using modern weapons, of course.
But it's an interesting stage design idea. If you have ample land and a backhoe, it's easier to make trenches than berms.
Downside is, when it rains they fill with water and mud, just like they did at Verdun.
But it's an interesting stage design idea. If you have ample land and a backhoe, it's easier to make trenches than berms.
Downside is, when it rains they fill with water and mud, just like they did at Verdun.
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12I am all in on any competition variations. Friendly competition keeps the game fresh, and the more fun it is, the better the participation. I think it’d be fun to play with the actions and power factors assigned to the different stages, so you may get a bonus for using a bolt gun but a deduction if it’s only a .22. Same thing with the shotguns, bonus for a single shot, but deduction if it’s only a .410.
But yes, period correct three gun sounds rad, and I’d do it.
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But yes, period correct three gun sounds rad, and I’d do it.
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13That looks like a LOT of fun. Except for the 'wool in Arizona' part; at least in the summer.atxgunguy wrote:Uncommon, but there are competitions out there.
InRangeTV films a lot of theirs...mostly out of the Arizona.
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14interesting concept, but I wonder how many could field a three gun entry?
for me it would be a shotgun deficiency, for WW1....
for me it would be a shotgun deficiency, for WW1....
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15atxgunguy wrote:Careful, InRange and their sister channel ForgottenWeapons are dangerous rabbit holes of entertainment.FlyGuy wrote:Very Cool idea.
Dilly Dilly!
Nice find on the video ATX.
You have been warned.
'Luckily' I had to watch 5 seconds of Dana Loesch spewing NRA vitriol so I wasn't tempted.
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16As far as the fielding all 3 guns, it was a concern I had as well. It was a hope that if it became popular that maybe a couple of manufacturers would start making affordable reproductions, similar to Chiapa, Pietta, etc as they have done with the SASS guns. (I would say 50% of my motivation actually, hoping someone would reproduce a Winchester 1896 for me.....I don't have 12 grand laying around to drop on one.) but to cover the shotgun I do see the Remington model 11 on GunBroker quite frequently for 200-700$ depending on model and condition. My real issue would be covering my first choice as a primary, which is a Lewis gun.........they are not cheap.
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17Elmo wrote:I recall reading that the "Hard as Hell" Multigun match this year included a stage described as "clearing WWI-style trenches". Those competitors would have been using modern weapons, of course.
But it's an interesting stage design idea. If you have ample land and a backhoe, it's easier to make trenches than berms.
Downside is, when it rains they fill with water and mud, just like they did at Verdun.
I like that though, trenches with mud and whatnot. Next course of fire if your weapon fails, no time to stop and clean it, reach for a trench knife, or a raiding club, or use a bayonet. Anything like that actually, mostly authentic I would think.
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18"If you have large hands, or medium sized hands, or really anything but Donald Trump hands"
AndyH wrote:That looks like a LOT of fun. Except for the 'wool in Arizona' part; at least in the summer.atxgunguy wrote:Uncommon, but there are competitions out there.
InRangeTV films a lot of theirs...mostly out of the Arizona.
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19I always thought a period (1920-+1960) flatfoot/gumshoe 3 gun would be fun.
Full sized service revolver, snubbie and period scattergun would be a hoot. No speedloaders, but a new york reload class for snubbies would be allowed.
Full sized service revolver, snubbie and period scattergun would be a hoot. No speedloaders, but a new york reload class for snubbies would be allowed.
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20senorgrand wrote:I always thought a period (1920-+1960) flatfoot/gumshoe 3 gun would be fun.
Full sized service revolver, snubbie and period scattergun would be a hoot. No speedloaders, but a new york reload class for snubbies would be allowed.
I could get behind that. Two Revolvers and a shotgun, I would be excited, I am excited.
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21For the revolutionary war segment, I think once you fire your flintlocks (both of them), you have to clear the course with your sabre, bayonet, or bowie knife.
In seriousness, the idea really appeals to me, but I currently don't own any period firearms. Although, I'm currently considering a Makarov. Hmmm... perhaps a cold war segment where half of the simulation is conducted via proxy.
In seriousness, the idea really appeals to me, but I currently don't own any period firearms. Although, I'm currently considering a Makarov. Hmmm... perhaps a cold war segment where half of the simulation is conducted via proxy.
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22Cold War period could be cool, and very interesting. People rolling up with mac 10's and skorpions and whatnot.MaxWyatt wrote:For the revolutionary war segment, I think once you fire your flintlocks (both of them), you have to clear the course with your sabre, bayonet, or bowie knife.
In seriousness, the idea really appeals to me, but I currently don't own any period firearms. Although, I'm currently considering a Makarov. Hmmm... perhaps a cold war segment where half of the simulation is conducted via proxy.
I would also be interested in a prohibition era 3 gun. It would be similar to the WW1 I suppose but, instead of a primary being a service rifle or MG, just have an SMG. Stens, and Thompsons etc.
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23You could also just drop the shotgun and go Service Rifle, SMG, Pistol . . .
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24Sitting here thinking about all sorts of way-outside-box alternative 3 guns. How about a future apocalypse (referred to around here as the time period following Trumps 3rd presidential election win) 3-weapon tournament: scoped 22LR OR 12 gauge (I can't decide which), shooters choice handgun, and homemade beating implement. Bonus points for modification, creativity, and effectiveness of all arms.
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25"To initiate a war of aggression...is the supreme international crime" - Nuremberg prosecutor Robert Jackson, 1946