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dandad wrote:I had no idea the saying " the whole 9 yards" came from what was said when the P51 Mustang was out of ammo. The 50 cal ammo belts of 1000 rounds , were 9 yards long.

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Unfortunately, this is incorrect as the phrase pre-dates WWII.

Like most phrases in colloquial English, use of this phrase came from early sailors and "yards" were not a measured distance but referenced the "yard-arms" on a sailing ship. Most common to the origin of the phrase ships had "9" yard-arms, hence the term the "whole nine yards".

Here's list of many early sayings which also came from early sailors:

“A clean bill of health”
According to dictionary.com this phrase derives from the days when the crew of ocean going ships might be a little less than hygienic, so they needed to present a certificate, carried by a ship, attesting to the presence or absence of infectious diseases among the ship’s crew and at the port from which it has come.

“Feeling Blue”
How often do you hear people talking about feeling blue or have the blues? An entire genre of music comes from this phrase. Who knew that came from the world of sailing? See-the-sea.org explains the popular phrase comes from a custom that was practiced when a ship lost its captain during a voyage. The ship would fly blue flags and have a blue band painted along her hull when she returned to port.

“Pipe down”
Parents have been screaming “pipe down” to their kids forever, but where does that actually come from? Apparently, Pipe Down was the last signal from the Bosun’s pipe each day, which meant lights-out, quiet down, time to go to bed.

“Over a barrel”
We all know when someone has you “over a barrel” things aren’t going well. This saying is used all the time these days to indicate being severely compromised, but it began in the most literal way. Sailor crew would sometimes be punished for their misgivings and that involved being tied over a cannon barrel and whipped. It’s no wonder that one stuck around. Yikes.

“Toe the line”
Perhaps you’ve been at work and your boss has scowled at you and said, “toe the line, or you’re gone”. If this has happened to you, we are sorry, that sounds like a horrible work environment. But, if you were wondering about the origins of his demand, it’s an old naval expression that refers to a ship’s crew who would be called to gather and form a line with their toes all touching a given seam (or line) of the deck planking.

“By and Large”
Folks say this one all the time to refer to the big picture. “By and large, ASA is the most awesome organization in existence”… something like that. This term got started on a sailboat with the word “by” meaning into the wind and “large” meaning off the wind. So sailors would say: “By and large this ship handles quite nicely.”

“Loose cannon”
Everyone has known a few people who are loose cannons – unpredictable and dangerous on some level. Not surprisingly the term comes from when a ship’s cannon would come loose from it’s lashing. The big dangerous thing would be sliding all over the place making for some uncomfortable time on deck trying to get that bad boy back in its spot.

“A square meal”
People often talk about getting three “square meals” a day…what the hell is a square meal? It’s actually quite simple – the wooden plates back in the days of tall ships were square.

“Hand over fist”
These days this phrase usually refers to making a bunch of money, although it can refer to anything happening fast and in abundance. It comes from a more literal origin – sailors would be tugging at lines as fast as they could, hand over fist, to trim sheets and raise sails.

“Son of a gun”
It’s amazing that this phrase has lasted so long. Back in the day, as you might imagine, sailors were often less than virtuous and every once in a while a “lady friend” of a crewman might give birth to a child on the ship. A good spot for this sort of thing was between the guns on the gun deck. Now let’s say this little rascal isn’t claimed by any of the aforementioned sleazy sailors, this little grommet would sometimes be called a “son of a gun”.


See these and a plethora of others here: http://see-the-sea.org/nautical/naut-body.htm

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Since the ammo was actually nine yards' worth, the phrase fits. It's hard to say whether the actual length was being referred to or whether an existing expression was broadened in meaning.

For example, I used to march in a marching band for football half times. We learned to make eight steps cover five yards. Sixteen steps for ten yards, unless someone was out of step, meaning the wrong foot would hit the chalked yard line at the wrong time. The drum major would yell, "did you just march the whole nine yards, maggot?"

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I marched in the high-school band too and played the trombone, but no one ever said that in our marching band - I also loved nautical books and was always amazed at how much of our language came from the past, as this excerpt from my link above notes:

The historical significance of the sea is easy to see when one looks at our language. Many words and expressions originate from our relationship with the sea. Western civilization has its roots in the areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. From the earliest Phoenician and Greek cultures, over two thousand years ago, the Mediterranean Sea was not only essential for survival, providing food, but also in maintaining economic and social ties between the people living around the sea. The language used from these early times became permeated with nautical terms. The nautical terms became the one universal language understood by different cultures. Throughout the ages, new words and phrases have entered into our language from this continuing tie to the oceans. The English language gained many additions during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries when British naval and merchant ships traveled the seas.

The phrase the "whole nine yards" pre-dates even the WWI's Lewis gun which had a belt length of 20 foot, please accept my apology for pointing this out in the first place, it was not meant to disparage your "heard" comment or the program, simply to correct it to fit with the actual "facts" of history.............

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I too was a marching band fool. First was Cornet, then Baritone, the in highschool french horn, which was what I was aiming for since 5th grade band. But Im talking the 1970s, small southern Illinois farm town, so the marching coordination and precision had a lot to be desired. Pivot turns if executed right were events of great celebration.

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SailDesign wrote:
dandad wrote:I had no idea the saying " the whole 9 yards" came from what was said when the P51 Mustang was out of ammo. The 50 cal ammo belts of 1000 rounds , were 9 yards long.

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Not so fast, Grasshopper....

It appears that is just a coinky-dink. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/books ... origin.html
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Looks like they removed it.

I like to think the brit is correct about the whole 9 yards, and the article was removed for being fake news. Because I think its cooler for the saying to be about machine gun belts LOL



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dandad wrote:
SailDesign wrote:
dandad wrote:I had no idea the saying " the whole 9 yards" came from what was said when the P51 Mustang was out of ammo. The 50 cal ammo belts of 1000 rounds , were 9 yards long.

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Not so fast, Grasshopper....

It appears that is just a coinky-dink. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/books ... origin.html
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Looks like they removed it.

I like to think the brit is correct about the whole 9 yards, and the article was removed for being fake news. Because I think its cooler for the saying to be about machine gun belts LOL
Hmmm - here it is. Apparently that last "L" in "html" is important... :)


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/books ... rigin.html
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DwnRange wrote:
SailDesign wrote:Not so fast, Grasshopper....

It appears that is just a coinky-dink. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/books ... origin.html
Perhaps you should sent the NYT a link to my post above, because that link is fake news too, IMHO.
Sadly, I fear everything you read that isn't to your liking may turn into Fake News.

Do some more research, which I am, and see where it goes. That was not offered as a sine qua non, but as a progression from the machine gun stuff, which appears to be wrong.
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I watched the Fokker tri plane last night. It reminded me of my pre-car days when my brother and I build model gliders and RC planes. The ribs, the sanding, the paper. You'd squirt the paper with water to tighten it, then you'd put the dope on. Then you paint it. That was fun.

That one tri plane did a loop like a few hundred feet off the ground. Very neat flick,'

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CDFingers wrote:I watched the Fokker tri plane last night. It reminded me of my pre-car days when my brother and I build model gliders and RC planes. The ribs, the sanding, the paper. You'd squirt the paper with water to tighten it, then you'd put the dope on. Then you paint it. That was fun.

That one tri plane did a loop like a few hundred feet off the ground. Very neat flick,'

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We built models. My brother built the tri wing fokker,red baron style.[non rc or glider, just wood model] After it sat around for a couple years he mounted a Woodstock rubber eraser in the cockpit, wire tied 2 este rockets under the wings, and attempted to launch it from a ramp of plywood on blocks.

Needless to say, dope, paper, balsa , burns well. Lol

That same day I tried a rocket up the arse of my sr71 plastic model, which spun sideways, nose dived into a corn stalk root clump and stank as the plastic burned..

Ah, childhood memories.

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Oh yeah: the polystyrene WWII plane models burnt great too.
We would spend weeks painting and gluing them, then we'd hang them
from our bedroom ceilings. We'd put red sewing thread--"Hey! Where'd all my
red thread go!" mom yelled--for machine gun tracers, cotton balls painted red
and white and black for fire and smoke trailing from the planes, solder iron
to melt bullet holes in 'em. When we filled the ceiling up with a huge diorama,
Flying Fortress with a dozen fighters, guys in parachutes, we'd take them out
back and blow them up with firecrackers. Then we'd start again. I guess
when you're a kid and you've got a paper route, you can just burn money--after
turning it into cool models first.

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CDFingers wrote:Oh yeah: the polystyrene WWII plane models burnt great too.
We would spend weeks painting and gluing them, then we'd hang them
from our bedroom ceilings. We'd put red sewing thread--"Hey! Where'd all my
red thread go!" mom yelled--for machine gun tracers, cotton balls painted red
and white and black for fire and smoke trailing from the planes, solder iron
to melt bullet holes in 'em. When we filled the ceiling up with a huge diorama,
Flying Fortress with a dozen fighters, guys in parachutes, we'd take them out
back and blow them up with firecrackers. Then we'd start again. I guess
when you're a kid and you've got a paper route, you can just burn money--after
turning it into cool models first.

CDFingers
The ships were fun - you could pour a little kero in there, float them out on the pond in the back yard, then shoot with an air rifle - done right, the heat of the impact would light the kero on fire, and done they went with a realistic smoke cloud... Smelled like crud, but fin to watch. :)
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So my eldest daughter,who is addicted to Korean dramas , suggested I watch a movie called Blue Swallow. It is about the first Korean female pilot who went to Japan to train. Its typical Korean style, but still pretty good.
Subtitled, which doesnt bother me.

https://www.asiancrush.com/movie/blue-swallow-2/


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