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27I'm not telling you what to get but I will let you know this. Some reloaders come with a superb lifetime warranty and one that goes with the press so if in the future you decide it isn't for you you can sell it used at very little loss of investment. Or if you had a dillon like the one I bought back in the mid eighties you could at least double your initial investment. RCBS and I think Hornaday are the same that way. Like anything else in life you get what you pay for.
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28ahh. how cute...Marlene wrote:He's upgrading from whack-a-mole
just kidding.
nothing wrong with that approach. had completely forgot about that kind of option.
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29You can put the sizing die down on a solid surface rather than just supporting it with your hand. Just needs to be something that won't dent the die, like a slab of thick leather. Does that solve your hand stress problem?
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30Cats work as good as leather. Well, you have to use them a few times before they sit still enough, but once trained they work great for a whack a mole pad. Cheaper than leather too.Marlene wrote:You can put the sizing die down on a solid surface rather than just supporting it with your hand. Just needs to be something that won't dent the die, like a slab of thick leather. Does that solve your hand stress problem?
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31Let's design a jig that will hold it for you.mahkagari wrote:Nope. It's the grip of holding the die on the solid surface that strains my thumb. Occasionally, I'll do a modified grip weaving the die between my other fingers. If I don't hold it steady and the mallet strike is slightly off, I get to go retrieve the the die from across the room. It's the last 1/8" that is the worst. Lube takes care of the rest. If I don't make sure it's fully resized, they tend to get stuck in the cylinder.Marlene wrote:You can put the sizing die down on a solid surface rather than just supporting it with your hand. Just needs to be something that won't dent the die, like a slab of thick leather. Does that solve your hand stress problem?
Beyond the hand strain, it's just really getting annoying having to clear every thing off my workbench so it doesn't go bouncing around. Even lube containers.
Please post a pic of you holding it in position.
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33For $25 you could pick up an arbor press at HF and just use it instead of a hammer on your existing loaders.
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-t ... -3551.html
Will probably increase your loading speed substantially over the mallet, as well as eliminating the stress on your hands.
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-t ... -3551.html
Will probably increase your loading speed substantially over the mallet, as well as eliminating the stress on your hands.
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34He should get the 1 ton model for seating compressed charges.shinzen wrote:For $25 you could pick up an arbor press at HF and just use it instead of a hammer on your existing loaders.
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-t ... -3551.html
Will probably increase your loading speed substantially over the mallet, as well as eliminating the stress on your hands.
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35Marlene gave me the idea- definitely not original on my part. Sounds like a reasonable way to get into reloading precision stuff.
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36Vice grips?CDFingers wrote:Let's design a jig that will hold it for you.mahkagari wrote:Nope. It's the grip of holding the die on the solid surface that strains my thumb. Occasionally, I'll do a modified grip weaving the die between my other fingers. If I don't hold it steady and the mallet strike is slightly off, I get to go retrieve the the die from across the room. It's the last 1/8" that is the worst. Lube takes care of the rest. If I don't make sure it's fully resized, they tend to get stuck in the cylinder.Marlene wrote:You can put the sizing die down on a solid surface rather than just supporting it with your hand. Just needs to be something that won't dent the die, like a slab of thick leather. Does that solve your hand stress problem?
Beyond the hand strain, it's just really getting annoying having to clear every thing off my workbench so it doesn't go bouncing around. Even lube containers.
Please post a pic of you holding it in position.
CDFingers
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37I think the Arbor press would be great if you don't have a drill press already. Vise grips would be worth trying if you have some. Could also get a hunk of 4x4 and drill a hole that the die fits in to, about 3/4 of its depth to use as a base that keeps it upright as you whack.
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38Like Marlene mentioned you could get an Arbor press to stop the hammering and keep on using your lee loaders..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
fwiw..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
fwiw..
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Re: Someone talk me into a press
39The thing about the Lee units I believe is that they are a neck sizing operation for bottle neck brass. They do require full length sizing and case trimming eventually.drigeba wrote:Like Marlene mentioned you could get an Arbor press to stop the hammering and keep on using your lee loaders..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
fwiw..
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40Almost all rifle brass requires this eventually. This is not a Lee phenomenon. When you apply pressure to brass, or metal in general, it deforms. And lee makes full length dies for rifles, not just neck sizing.eelj wrote:The thing about the Lee units I believe is that they are a neck sizing operation for bottle neck brass. They do require full length sizing and case trimming eventually.drigeba wrote:Like Marlene mentioned you could get an Arbor press to stop the hammering and keep on using your lee loaders..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
fwiw..
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41I'm talking about the whack a mole dies.dandad wrote:Almost all rifle brass requires this eventually. This is not a Lee phenomenon. When you apply pressure to brass, or metal in general, it deforms. And lee makes full length dies for rifles, not just neck sizing.eelj wrote:The thing about the Lee units I believe is that they are a neck sizing operation for bottle neck brass. They do require full length sizing and case trimming eventually.drigeba wrote:Like Marlene mentioned you could get an Arbor press to stop the hammering and keep on using your lee loaders..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
fwiw..
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42Ah, I just assumed...eelj wrote:I'm talking about the whack a mole dies.dandad wrote:Almost all rifle brass requires this eventually. This is not a Lee phenomenon. When you apply pressure to brass, or metal in general, it deforms. And lee makes full length dies for rifles, not just neck sizing.eelj wrote:The thing about the Lee units I believe is that they are a neck sizing operation for bottle neck brass. They do require full length sizing and case trimming eventually.drigeba wrote:Like Marlene mentioned you could get an Arbor press to stop the hammering and keep on using your lee loaders..
If the lee loaders otherwise work for you, an arbor press would save the cost of the new dies you would need for a regular press.
If you do decide to get a new "regular" press, go with a turret press. The Lee Classic turret press saves a lot of time with die setup. You place each set of dies into a plate. You put the plate into the press and you are ready to go after a check of the measurements needed. You'll only need to make tweaks as you change components. If you are doing only 20 rounds at time, you could possibly load several cartridge's worth in the time it would take you to do one cartridge with the lee loaders.
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43I suppose you could modify a Lee Loader die to knock the shoulder back a couple thousandths. L.E. Wilson makes arbor dies which are in essence the same as a Lee Loader. They have removeable inserts to customize the amount of neck sizing. I would speculate that if someone is serious enough to use Arbor dies only, they are either: 1. Making them from cut off barrel blank pieces using a chamber reamer to custom dimensions or, 2. Having a custom die made, which a number of shops are set up to handle.
It's an interesting thought to consider if neck sizing only has the same effect on case length as full length sizing. Since I don't measure cases and record the data every time I reload them i wouldn't have any data to make a call on that. In my world, the only reason to full length size if you are primarily using neck sizing (for bolt guns or single shot only) is that the cases will no longer chamber. When you do that you usually lose some accuracy, depending on your application and standards.
Of course this assumes that your rifle, shooting, and reloading skills are at a place where you could see the difference between these (expensive) tweaks. I recently did a scouting mission down the path of custom dies. I figured I should work on my shooting and reloading until I get to the point where I can clearly identify that my current dies are holding me back.
I have a spare Lee Reloader press which I can sell you cheap if you want it. It's a great press for learning and for low volume use. Pm me if interested
It's an interesting thought to consider if neck sizing only has the same effect on case length as full length sizing. Since I don't measure cases and record the data every time I reload them i wouldn't have any data to make a call on that. In my world, the only reason to full length size if you are primarily using neck sizing (for bolt guns or single shot only) is that the cases will no longer chamber. When you do that you usually lose some accuracy, depending on your application and standards.
Of course this assumes that your rifle, shooting, and reloading skills are at a place where you could see the difference between these (expensive) tweaks. I recently did a scouting mission down the path of custom dies. I figured I should work on my shooting and reloading until I get to the point where I can clearly identify that my current dies are holding me back.
I have a spare Lee Reloader press which I can sell you cheap if you want it. It's a great press for learning and for low volume use. Pm me if interested
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Re: Someone talk me into a press
45I am drinking coffee over here. Knock that shit off.Marlene wrote:Jig making should lead to jig dancing.
Where are the damn towels.