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I don't have a pair of those nifty hearing protectors with the microphones and speakers so you can still hear people talking. Which ones are good?
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2None of them, the NRR on all of them suck. Use at least a 30NRR ear protection, don't screw with your hearing. This from a person with permanent, unending and fairly loud tinnitus.
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3seriously? You really started a thread with that?
Current ones-they work ok, but they are really, really bulky and don't have an auto shutoff feature:
http://www.basspro.com/Caldwell-Platinu ... /10202179/
Next purchase- gotten good feedback at the range on them
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... c+earmuffs
Current ones-they work ok, but they are really, really bulky and don't have an auto shutoff feature:
http://www.basspro.com/Caldwell-Platinu ... /10202179/
Next purchase- gotten good feedback at the range on them
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... c+earmuffs
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4I have it too. My thought was that over plugs they could be turned up loud enough that I could hear a bit better, but still be better than just plugs while improving my conversational hearing.Antiquus wrote:None of them, the NRR on all of them suck. Use at least a 30NRR ear protection, don't screw with your hearing. This from a person with permanent, unending and fairly loud tinnitus.
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5[youtu_be]http://youtu.be/U_gypoaf-Bc[/youtu_be]Fukshot wrote:NO! JUST STOP BEFORE YOU START!
I don't have a pair of those nifty hearing protectors with the microphones and speakers so you can still hear people talking. Which ones are good?
As for the headphones, the ones i've seen work, are too expensive. YMMV.
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6You are entirely correct.Fukshot wrote:I have it too. My thought was that over plugs they could be turned up loud enough that I could hear a bit better, but still be better than just plugs while improving my conversational hearing.Antiquus wrote:None of them, the NRR on all of them suck. Use at least a 30NRR ear protection, don't screw with your hearing. This from a person with permanent, unending and fairly loud tinnitus.
I came at this as an aviator, having worn very expensive "active noise reducing headsets" for some time. In planes that made an open-piped Harley sound quiet.
So I was skeptical that a $60.00 headset would be adequate to muffle a .30-06.
Even if it was made by a company that charged 10 times that for an aviation product a decade ago, when the technology first appeared.
Well, yes and no.
Typically, the shooter's active headsets reduce things by about 28 decibels. For .22 to .223, depending upon the enclosure, that's fine. For .223 in concrete block, or .30-06 anywhere, it still hurts enough that I flinch.
BUT, and this is a Jennifer Lopez sized but, if I wear decent plugs inside the active noise reducing headset, I'm adequately protected.
AND if I turn up the volume, I can hear a pin drop, or a .22 pistol misfire, at 25 feet. In fact, I eavesdrop on any number of range conversations in that config. Will occasionally surprise someone by offering help, or perhaps a few .22 rounds that don't misfire.
I like the Howard Leights, because, all else being equal, I can shoot a rifle halfway comfortably due to their low profile and overall shape. Even if they're suppression is a couple of dB lower than others, I still have my "inner plugs." With them on, honestly, when I shoot my 10/22 I don't hear a thing. I perceive the action hitting the soft Kidd buffer, but that's it.
When the boomers move to other ranges on-site or leave entirely, I just take the muffs off, keeping them at-hand just in case, and work with high-quality plugs, enjoying a proper cheek-weld.
The Leights have an audio-input, which I intend to use with my MP3 player for shot-timing working on my distinguished expert pistol rating. I'm going to record a 30-second count and play it through the ear muffs. Don't really plan on piping Spotify into my shooting muffs.
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7Howard Leight Impact - the ones Shinzen linked to. I doubted $43 muffs would last long but I've used the heck out of them for two years and they're solid.
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8I also have a set of the Howard Leight muffs and I usually wear plugs under them. They get loud enough that I can still hear.
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9I thought I had posted to this?
Muffs and plugs together. Vancomycin destroyed one ear with tinnitus, I think I'll keep the other.
Muffs and plugs together. Vancomycin destroyed one ear with tinnitus, I think I'll keep the other.
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10I have the H-L's as well. I usually listen to music while I shoot, though the microphone is also useful at times.
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11Howard Leights for my handguns. Plugs too, usually. The Leights are a good value.
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12Ditto. I use them for instruction so students can hear commands.Bucolic wrote:Howard Leights for my handguns. Plugs too, usually. The Leights are a good value.
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13Great topic! I wanted to get a pair of these but hadn't a clue as to what kind to get. Just ordered the HL from Amazon.
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14Pro-Ears Pro Mag Gold (33 NRR). I've worn them at NHRA 4-Wide Nationals, and it was weird feeling my whole body vibrate without hearing the noise that was doing it. Well, ok, there was some noise: sounded like a chorus of chainsaws about a block or two away, vs 40k of HP. And I could still hear the announcer, as well as my date.
At the range, gunshots sound like soft "boings," no matter the caliber, and I can hear conversations from anywhere in the bay even when someone is shooting. I've also used them while watching airplanes take off and land at small regional airports. And they have audio input as well. Love 'em.
And, no, they're not cheap, but 1) I got them on sale, and 2) I don't skimp on hearing protection, good shoes, or toilet paper.
When shooting my rifle, though, I just wear Flents 33 NRR plugs so I can get a cheek plant.
At the range, gunshots sound like soft "boings," no matter the caliber, and I can hear conversations from anywhere in the bay even when someone is shooting. I've also used them while watching airplanes take off and land at small regional airports. And they have audio input as well. Love 'em.
And, no, they're not cheap, but 1) I got them on sale, and 2) I don't skimp on hearing protection, good shoes, or toilet paper.
When shooting my rifle, though, I just wear Flents 33 NRR plugs so I can get a cheek plant.
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16http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/flents ... 80-productFukshot wrote:Kimbergal, got a link to the plugs you're using?
They even come with a small plastic case that can be put into a range bag or pocket.
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17[quote="shinzen]
Next purchase- gotten good feedback at the range on them
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... c+earmuffs[/quote]
Have these. Work as designed. They are great for hearing range commands while maintaining protection.
Next purchase- gotten good feedback at the range on them
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... c+earmuffs[/quote]
Have these. Work as designed. They are great for hearing range commands while maintaining protection.
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18Just showed up in the mail!
As a long time Etymotic headphone user it took all of a minute to have them fitted comfortably as they use the same ear tips as the headphones.
Next stop the range!
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As a long time Etymotic headphone user it took all of a minute to have them fitted comfortably as they use the same ear tips as the headphones.
Next stop the range!
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19The verbiage on that box concerns me. Only 15dB protection is not very much. The minimum I want is 22dB and 30dB is better yet.
Also it says "Gradual transition from natural hearing to 15dB protection." What you want is an immediate transition when there is a loud noise and then maybe a gradual transition back.
Also it says "Gradual transition from natural hearing to 15dB protection." What you want is an immediate transition when there is a loud noise and then maybe a gradual transition back.
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20From http://www.etymotic.com/hp/gsp15.html
What is "adaptive attenuation"?
In acoustics, to attenuate sound means to reduce it. Think of ‘adaptive’ as being able to change with the environment. The GSP-15 earplugs contain circuitry that automatically changes as sound levels change. When sound levels are safe, hearing is natural, as if nothing is in the ears. In the LO switch position, as the sound pressure level (SPL) increases, the circuitry gradually changes from natural hearing to 15-dB attenuation to protect from continuous loud noises. Once the input SPL reaches about 120 dB, the attenuation gradually increases to the maximum blast protection of between 35-dB and 40-dB.
The 'Other' side of the box says 25db in the official government label (40 CFR Part 211 Subpart B, which Federal Law prohibits removal of this label prior to sale).
What is "adaptive attenuation"?
In acoustics, to attenuate sound means to reduce it. Think of ‘adaptive’ as being able to change with the environment. The GSP-15 earplugs contain circuitry that automatically changes as sound levels change. When sound levels are safe, hearing is natural, as if nothing is in the ears. In the LO switch position, as the sound pressure level (SPL) increases, the circuitry gradually changes from natural hearing to 15-dB attenuation to protect from continuous loud noises. Once the input SPL reaches about 120 dB, the attenuation gradually increases to the maximum blast protection of between 35-dB and 40-dB.
The 'Other' side of the box says 25db in the official government label (40 CFR Part 211 Subpart B, which Federal Law prohibits removal of this label prior to sale).
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23Overdue range report.antia wrote:Just showed up in the mail!
As a long time Etymotic headphone user it took all of a minute to have them fitted comfortably as they use the same ear tips as the headphones.
Next stop the range!
First try was at a four lane 50' range with 6' 6" ceilings, the loudest range I have used, sounds slaps around this range right back to the shooter.
I shot a .40 180g ~200 rounds.
The hearing protectors work well with the initial sound as well as the 'slap'. A plus is the ability to hear (amplified) between shots for range warning sounds I might have missed with my other hearing protectors such as the exhaust fan cutting out or another shooter rapping at the range door to get in.
I prefer to shoot with a hat on, which excludes most active protection hearing protectors.
Having an in ear hearing protector is a plus as it does not impact my hat.
The headphones are missing a clip to attach the mono-filament between the earpieces to a shirt or hat.
After all these things are expensive, I want to attach then so one does not get lost!
Second use was a Active Shooter Response training.
It was a hot humid day on an airsoft range that had no air conditioning and hardly a breeze.
Full vest, helmet and face-mask were a requirement, hearing protection was required to simulate 'tactical tunnel senses'.
I thought the heat and sweat might be an issue with the hearing protectors, but they wore comfortably through the whole exercise without an issue.
I did have a mild panic attack at the end of the day, untangling myself from straps, comms and protectors while being wiped and not being able to find the protectors (they were around my neck and caught in my ponytail).
Bottom line: Hearing loss is expensive so purchasing hearing prevention should not be cost driven.
Should everyone purchase these, I think not. If situational awareness on the range is critical to you (Instructors) or if you must wear hats on the range, then these hearing protectors are for you.
If you do purchase these add an alligator clip to the mono-filament to attach the rig to your clothes to prevent loss.
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24As soon as I shot with the Peltor SV Pro's it was a lifelong love affair.
.45's, 30-06, .44 mags, no problems, no flinches, and instantaneous electronic response in a unit built to take a beating.
$195, -26dB reduction -but maybe really more-. Buy once, cry once.
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25I currently use H-L 01526 and they work very well - indoor or outdoor range. I wear them backward (receiver to rear rather than forward) to better hear what is behind me rather than down range.
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... d_sim_hi_2
I'm planning on buying the model R-01902 which has a 30NRR rating. These appear to have Omni-directional sound pickup.
http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-R-01902 ... d+earmuffs
Ear plugs (foam or rubber) can't use - have weird ear canals. Have some Peltor plugs and they suck.
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-0 ... d_sim_hi_2
I'm planning on buying the model R-01902 which has a 30NRR rating. These appear to have Omni-directional sound pickup.
http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-R-01902 ... d+earmuffs
Ear plugs (foam or rubber) can't use - have weird ear canals. Have some Peltor plugs and they suck.
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