Republican, with out an apology

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Hello, I am a Republican I am not going to apologize nor do I see a need to defend or even discuss my political view points
I am a gun owner, This is a gun owner site.
I see gun owners as all in a brotherhood of there own, away from politics
My gun has no idea what my politicl view is nor does it care.

Have I ever talked bad about liberals, or democrats?
damn right I have
Have YOU ever talked bad about Republicans?
Damn right you have.
SO...HERE I am, I am being open, honest, not a troll, as I have been accused of on here before
If you wish to talk to me about guns, survival stuff and why on earth I have 16 damn barn cats we can get alone
If you want to dicuss politics, go talk to someone else because quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the GD subject

I just lobbed a ball out on the field, now it is in your court. pick it up and play, or sit on the bench
whatcha gonna do?

BTW.
OH YEAH I make some beautiful stuff out of paracord, that I am NOT trying to sell
like, rifle slings,ar15 single point slings , belts and bull whips.


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Welcome> What kind of guns do you shoot?
I never knew you could make a whip out of paracord!
All religions united with government are more or less inimical to liberty. All, separated from government, are compatible with liberty.-Henry Clay
Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.—Aristotle

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If you don't want to talk politics you probably shouldn't have mentioned politics, yours or anybody else's.
'Sorry stupid people but there are some definite disadvantages to being stupid."

-John Cleese

Republican, with out an apology

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Mason wrote:If you don't want to talk politics you probably shouldn't have mentioned politics, yours or anybody else's.
QFT

Keep it to guns, stay outof the politics discussions till you get the lay of the land, and remember this is our house, not a free for all.

That said, neat paracord stuff. I am frightened and intrigued by the whip.

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And what, praytell, brought you to the "Liberal Gun Club" rather than ARFCOM or any one of a million other sites?
“Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better.”
- Maya Angelou

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“I’m a Republican posting on a Liberal gun forum admitting that I talk shit about Libs and accuse you all of talking shit about Repubs yet I don’t want to discuss politics just guns even though most of the threads here are political and there are numerous other websites to do so but I’m not here to troll.”

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To paraphrase your statement:
Have WE ever talked bad about Republicans?
Damn right we have
Have WE ever talked bad about liberals, or democrats?
damn right we have


Good place to discuss guns and other topics, don't assume we're all alike. Very creative with paracord.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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I think we leave him up there and make fun of a guy who is totally OK with the Russians helping to elect their grifter in chief who has on record shafted them so many times he ought to do a Stormy Daniels hush money thing on them. This guy's motto? "Please do it again, but this time without the K-Y."

Maroons, all of them. I mean, look: the guy is trying to do macrame. Tells you something.

CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack

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I have less problem with people who vote republican or democrat rather than those people who identify themselves as belonging to one of two teams.

If you ask a Cowboy fan what the greatest football team was, they'll probably point to a Cowboy team.

If you ask a Patriot fan what the greatest football team was, they'll probably tell you it was a Patriot team.

If you ask a football fan who doesn't follow a specific team who was the greatest football team, they'll probably tell you the truth.

That said, I don't have any trouble welcoming ANYONE to our treehouse, as long as they remember the One Rule: don't pee on the rug.

Great paracord skills BTW.
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Hi halfcockedone,

I do find that I need to opt out of the politics threads at times. In your case, that could be "all times". Fair warning that on this forum, "news" and "politics" get mixed together.

As for the gun topics, I really like this forum. I also visit a few other gun forums for gun info, but to be honest, when I have a question to post, it gets posted here. Why? Good people here and they give good answers.
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So...

You’re announcing that you support people actively working to make life harder for people I love; kick them out of jobs, make sure people who discriminate against them are legally protected, send some to jail. Then, you ask me to not discuss that, but offer nothing to merit my forbearance? Really?

For a member of the “people shouldn’t get stuff for free” party, you sure want a lot of social grace from us in exchange for nothing.

Probably not gonna work out for you here with that approach.
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Marlene wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 1:19 pm < snip good sense >
For a member of the “people shouldn’t get stuff for free” party, you sure want a lot of social grace from us in exchange for nothing.

Probably not gonna work out for you here with that approach.
Concur - 100%.

Try your approach backwards - go to a known right-wing gun site (read: "Any but this") and announce you're a liberal or a Democrat but you don't want to talk politics. I dare ya. :mrgreen: :wall: :see_stars:
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo.
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max129 wrote:
kronkmusic said:

'72 Dolphins

I thought it was Juventus F.C. The only team I actually like to watch even if they lose.
Oh man, if we think politics can get messy let's not even bring up the whole football/soccer debate.

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To give this a serious response and kind of piggyback on what highdesert had to say, we are not a monolith by any stretch of the imagination. The political beliefs of the members here stretch from libertarian to socialist and pretty much everything in between. If you read the more political threads on this forum, you'll notice that none of us have any qualms about criticizing liberals or Democrats, at all, and not just about guns. If you're here to participate constructively and in good faith than I for one welcome you. If you're here to "trigger the libs" then you're gonna have a bad time. Again while we are not a monolith, this is our house, so show respect.

Nice paracord work by the way, I dig that guitar strap! Looks pretty cool on that Danelectro. You play as well I assume?

Also, whatchya like to shoot? I'm kind of a CZ fanboy myself, my P-07 Urban Gray is my baby, but I also own Glock, Ruger, Springfield, etc.

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Hello Half-cocked,

What SeniorGrand posted above holds a lot of truth in response to your post. You seem to be unaware that you are a “team-player” rather than simply a man who may hold Conservative values.

I am a naturalized American citizen and my family has benefitted from the opportunities this country offered (and yes, we pay our taxes). However, like most immigrants, we worked fo our piece of the American Pie, never took any hand-outs, and indeed many of my extended family members (all immigrants) hold rather conservative values. Some may even seem racist against “lazy Americans” who were born here yet somehow didn’t learn the value of work in this “land of opportunity”. I don’t share their views because I understand a little deeper about trauma and the inner demons drives a person to live on the streets or become trapped in a cycle of poverty. But more importantly, I don’t talk shit about my family behind their backs nor argue with them in a way that belittles their point of view.

At the same time, being a independent thinker, I am often taking down the arguments of Liberals who believe that stripping guns from society would stop random acts of violence and killings in society. I argue facts but I don’t talk shit about Liberals just to feel superior or imagine that their points of view would somehow lead us down a path of destruction.

I guess I simply don’t have so much fear inside. I am willing to engage in thoughtful and exploratory discussions but rarely encounter people able to do so. Instead, I find the team-mentality to be a convenient cover for many people NOT to use their intelligence or imagination to consider stepping into another’s shoes. But in this way I guess I am not too different from my family in believing that most Americans are lazy and too frequently ask from others without giving in return. -Touché.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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"SO...HERE I am, I am being open, honest, not a troll, as I have been accused of on here before"

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Let me see if I'm missing anything here; you've been a member over two years yet this is your first post, yet you've been accused of being a troll
here in the past. So my guess would be that this isn't your only handle here?
I wonder what you have to gain, except this board might be more excepting of sixteen barn cats, than a site that might refer to the members here in a less than cordial manner.


"I just lobbed a ball out on the field, now it is in your court. pick it up and play, or sit on the bench
whatcha gonna do? "

Passive aggressive much?
"it's a goddamn impossible way of life"
"And so it goes"

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SailDesign wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 1:45 pm
Marlene wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 1:19 pm < snip good sense >
For a member of the “people shouldn’t get stuff for free” party, you sure want a lot of social grace from us in exchange for nothing.

Probably not gonna work out for you here with that approach.
Concur - 100%.

Try your approach backwards - go to a known right-wing gun site (read: "Any but this") and announce you're a liberal or a Democrat but you don't want to talk politics. I dare ya. :mrgreen: :wall: :see_stars:
Kudos to both of you for your measured and completely valid responses.
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Bisbee - great input - thank you.

As for "Americans are lazy" - true, but it is also a bit universal (not just Americans), especially with regards to independent thought.

The biggest challenge we face, and I include myself at the front of the line, is continuous discovery of our own ignorance.

There are a huge number of topics on which I am (self) confronted every year wherein what I considered "settled thought" gets upended. Often I find that I was fed a diet of BS. One would hope that this gets cured over time. Nope. I find I am constantly discovering some area where I was mis-educated - and to me it often looks willful.

Then, having discovered I was fed BS, I must find an independent path to un BS myself, avoiding a reactionary counter position.

But, as I said, it does not seem unique to Americans. What does seem universal is that tribes use misinformation to promote a view. As a poor tribe joiner, I can escape some of this, but not all.

I think that as one period of history is ending (Post WWII quasi stability) and a new, possibly messier era begins, we will need to reexamine many of our assumptions about political systems, the role of religion in society, economics, free movement of people, and much more.

I encourage people to reread "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama. There was a time when this was considered to be proven truth.

But now, in country after country, we are seeing the breakdown of functioning democracies (US, UK, even Australia), the resurgence of religious influence, "proven" economic models, etc.

At a personal level, many people are uneasy with the social contract surrounding "work". All societies seem to be gravitating towards a protected class and an unprotected class:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/tech ... rkers.html

There are similar stories in China, Russia, Singapore, Italy, and of course, the United States.

I am a well trained and practicing professional mathematician. It is the ONE are of my life where I am pretty confident of my knowledge and ignorance. (Mostly ignorance, but I know it.) In the rest of my life I find that virtually all the old assumptions are breaking down. I am not depressed about all this, but I confess a level of surprise.

As a result, one thing I cannot be is "unapologetic" about much except acts of kindness.

I believe the path forward is to abandon the false confidence that "we know what to do" and to become humble students. What seems to be missing is the "teacher".
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I can tolerate a generic republican, but I have nothing good to say to a Trumper on this forum. It's a big internet full of repub-leaning gun forums out there, if you can't handle the logical talk of intelligent and sane people here, nothing is stopping you from participating on those other forums instead.

If you are curious about gun owners with a mostly liberal persuasion, you're welcome to test the waters, in a civil manner.
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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Stiff wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 3:18 pm I can tolerate a generic republican, but I have nothing good to say to a Trumper on this forum. It's a big internet full of repub-leaning gun forums out there, if you can't handle the logical talk of intelligent and sane people here, nothing is stopping you from participating on those other forums instead.

If you are curious about gun owners with a mostly liberal persuasion, you're welcome to test the waters, in a civil manner.
+1

Tentative welcome aboard.

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