We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

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#76 Post by Mustang » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:33 pm

sikacz wrote:
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Laquisha Jones pleaded guilty to elder abuse for her attack on Rodolfo Rodriguez.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office says Laquisha Jones pleaded no contest to elder abuse Thursday. She faces up to 15 years in prison at her sentencing Feb. 28.

Rodolfo Rodriguez was repeatedly beaten in the face with a brick on July 4 while taking a walk in the unincorporated Willowbrook area.

A witness recorded video of Rodriguez as he sat dazed, his face bloodied. The witness, Misbel Borjas, also took a photo of a woman with a brick in her hand.

Borjas says Jones yelled at him: “Go back to your country.”

The case wasn’t prosecuted as a hate crime.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cal ... k-60041885
I’m not sure what this has to do with the thread in general, but this is just plain sad.
I think if you go back and read comments #4, #5, #9, and #19 through #37, the relevance will be clear.

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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#77 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:37 pm

JohnNewell wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:02 pm
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:12 pm
It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Intel gatherers?

The heart of any activist activity is knowing your enemy, and knowing how to efficiently target them and how to efficiently use your own resources. Most of the really radical Trumpers are neo-nazis and simply knowing who they are and exposing them to family and employers effectively takes them out of the battle.
It depends on where you live. I cannot turn on the radio without finding a right-wing hack local or national talk radio program every other station here. I cannot walk around a corner without hearing that sort of talk. I already know what they say and what they think. You cannot simply "expose" one of them here because the chances are good that you will just expose yourself instead.

I will take a wild guess that you are in a location where they actually hide their opinions and identity?
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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#78 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:46 pm

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I'm sad to say I'm just keeping my mouth shut and hoping the first wave runs past me when this all finally goes violent.

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#79 Post by JohnNewell » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:34 pm

K9s wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:37 pm
JohnNewell wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:02 pm
K9s wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:12 pm
JohnNewell wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:12 pm
It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Intel gatherers?

The heart of any activist activity is knowing your enemy, and knowing how to efficiently target them and how to efficiently use your own resources. Most of the really radical Trumpers are neo-nazis and simply knowing who they are and exposing them to family and employers effectively takes them out of the battle.
It depends on where you live. I cannot turn on the radio without finding a right-wing hack local or national talk radio program every other station here. I cannot walk around a corner without hearing that sort of talk. I already know what they say and what they think. You cannot simply "expose" one of them here because the chances are good that you will just expose yourself instead.

I will take a wild guess that you are in a location where they actually hide their opinions and identity?

Eh ... I am in Texas but a part that is 75% Hispanic. However, I do amateur intel throughout the state.

I guess the question goes back to what you see in a thread like this, entitled "should we take Trump's threats of violence seriously." And then what your perception of Trumpian violence is.

I guess that if you see random acts of violence then intel isn't that important. Watch your personal 6, get a permit, and carry a weapon.

My thoughts are more along the lines of we could have those random acts of violence. We could also have roving bands of Trumpers, perhaps attacking anything from individuals to the local Court Houses, to economic institutions. Which is pretty much the model for most nations on the verge of a revolution. In which case, yes, intel is important.

And any guerrilla or small-scale military campaign has to rely not only on armed individuals. but intel and logistics. And probably a few other things that are escaping me at the moment. In extreme cases you need the locals and ideally the local politicians on your side as well.

So yeah. Today is the time to gather intel. There are small groups around the country doing it now, and they do indeed make a difference.

I might add that indictments and sentencing are still occurring over acts of violence generally committed by the right in Portland over the last few years and in Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally of roughly 2 years ago. Most of the identifications have been done by amateurs, with the authorities following up (eventually) and taking action.
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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#80 Post by JohnNewell » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:43 pm

VodoundaVinci wrote:
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Oooohhhh....I like that. Outing these types to their close associates as Extremists might actually be effective. It's the ones I am hearing lately that are violently anti Antifa (that would mean pro Fascist - if yer against/opposing people who oppose Fascism then you'd be pro Fascism, right?) laugh in yer face when you ask them if they are Fascists. No, of course not...Fascists are Leftists/Socialists/Democrats, you idiot! Hitler was a Socialist...he banned guns as all Socialists do and embarked on a regime of propaganda and hate just like all Socialists do and anyone who opposed him was shouted down and hauled off to a camp. That's what Leftists and Communists and Socialists do.

Just like their idol, Trump, they are rewriting history. They do not see nor will they realize that Fascism and the Nazi's were anti Socialism, ant Communism, and a product of uber/ultra right wing Nationalism. Fascists and Nazis are Socialists and a Left Wing phenomenon. :confused:

They have never apparently read a history book. It's pretty scary to me to try and enlighten or inform people this angry and stupid. There is no way to reach/discuss with a person who insists that the sky is purple and the Earth is flat and that God made the world in 7 days and that the whole shebang is 6000 some odd years old. Fascists and Nazis are Socialists and Communists and a Left Wing phenomenon and anyone Left leaning is therefor a threat and needs purged to stop them from reforming America into the same plane as Nazi Germany or Soviet/Stalin Communism. :see_stars:

I'm sad to say I'm just keeping my mouth shut and hoping the first wave runs past me when this all finally goes violent.

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I think that you and Wino hit the nail on the head. Most Trumpers and far-rights today are stupid and they think that everyone left of Ghengis Khan is a Commie. And somehow or another Putin isn't a Commie, but Hitler was a Marxist because the word socialism in in the name of his party. :laugh:

It's the "what's in a name" game that makes North Korea into the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, which is hardly democratic. Although also seemingly now a pal of Trump. That must make their little heads spin.

We have a group of Trumpers in the Austin and Dallas areas that are fervent members of the legitimate Republican Party but quietly, in their secret chats, call themselves Fascists and say that's the way of the future.

Likewise there is a small but active group of neo-Nazis that have committed several murders over the last year or two. They think they are Trump's base.

So there are some pretty extreme people out there on the right at the moment.

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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#81 Post by K9s » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 am

Are they potentially violent? Yes. Are they actually violent? Yes. Could DJT agitate them? Yes. Ask Charlottesville VA.

Keep your ears sharp and your head down. Cardio, cardio, cardio... so you can outrun them.
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#82 Post by JohnNewell » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:44 am

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Are they potentially violent? Yes. Are they actually violent? Yes. Could DJT agitate them? Yes. Ask Charlottesville VA.

Keep your ears sharp and your head down. Cardio, cardio, cardio... so you can outrun them.

Or. for us old people, keep a weapon handy and your vehicle in good condition. :lol:

99% are loud-mouthed morons. We need to set those priorities and prepare in case the 1% shows up. :yahoo:

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#83 Post by sikacz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:08 am

Mustang wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:33 pm
sikacz wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:08 pm
Mustang wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:49 pm
Laquisha Jones pleaded guilty to elder abuse for her attack on Rodolfo Rodriguez.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office says Laquisha Jones pleaded no contest to elder abuse Thursday. She faces up to 15 years in prison at her sentencing Feb. 28.

Rodolfo Rodriguez was repeatedly beaten in the face with a brick on July 4 while taking a walk in the unincorporated Willowbrook area.

A witness recorded video of Rodriguez as he sat dazed, his face bloodied. The witness, Misbel Borjas, also took a photo of a woman with a brick in her hand.

Borjas says Jones yelled at him: “Go back to your country.”

The case wasn’t prosecuted as a hate crime.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cal ... k-60041885
I’m not sure what this has to do with the thread in general, but this is just plain sad.
I think if you go back and read comments #4, #5, #9, and #19 through #37, the relevance will be clear.
Old age and short memory. I’d forgotten about that whole discussion. I think, it might have been better in a thread of it’s own. My thought here was on Trump, violence and the title phrase of this thread.
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#84 Post by sikacz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:20 am

JohnNewell wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:07 pm
sikacz wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:12 pm
JohnNewell wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:12 pm
It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Where does the intel go and to what purpose? I get defending ourselves from right wing extremists, but I don’t see any organization or entity that could be used to gather such sensitive information and hold it.


It exists. There are groups out there watching the far right and giving that intel to local activists. Most serious Trumpers are indeed neo-Nazis, and there are plenty of Trump supporters that are pretty vocal that Mussolini or Hitler (or more obscurely Pinochet) were right in the suppression of left-leaning ideas and murders of those on the left. Revealing those people to their families and employers is a first step.
Still doesn’t get me any closer to understanding who or what these groups are and where the intel goes and who distributes it. Put it simply, do they have names and what are their relationships to any other entities including judicial ones...
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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#85 Post by sikacz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:23 am

Wino wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:22 pm
Be honest - most right wingers wouldn't know a communist, fascist, nazi, socialist is if it bit them on their nether parts. Reading their stupid regurgitated post is all it takes to know they are clueless.
Pretty spot on, the visual is satisfying.
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Re: We should take Turnip's threats of violence seriously

#86 Post by sikacz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:32 am

K9s wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 am
Are they potentially violent? Yes. Are they actually violent? Yes. Could DJT agitate them? Yes. Ask Charlottesville VA.

Keep your ears sharp and your head down. Cardio, cardio, cardio... so you can outrun them.
I have endurance to outlast most even now, I just don’t have the ability to run. Reserving my right to defend myself armed is about all I can do. John, has a point, if a numerical 99 percent doesn’t exist, it still leaves 1 percent that does.
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#87 Post by AndyH » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:35 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... ly-n970451
A man attending President Donald Trump's rally Monday night in El Paso, Texas, entered the press area and went after journalists before being escorted out of the venue.

"F--- the media," the man, who was not immediately identified but was wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat, could be heard shouting in footage from the incident.

BBC cameraman Ron Skeans was, per a BBC spokesman, "violently pushed and shoved by a member of the crowd while covering a President Trump rally in Texas last night."

"The man was removed by security and Ron is fine," the statement continued. "The president could see the incident and checked with us that all was OK. It is clearly unacceptable for any of our staff to be attacked for doing their job."
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#88 Post by Bisbee » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:44 pm

Another view of the violence against the press, as well as a reminder video of the vitriol (at the bottom) of July 2018 when Turnip first attacked the press with, “Fake News.”

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/69382416 ... paso-rally
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Re: update...

#89 Post by AndyH » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:52 pm

Mustang wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:49 pm
Laquisha Jones pleaded guilty to elder abuse for her attack on Rodolfo Rodriguez.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office says Laquisha Jones pleaded no contest to elder abuse Thursday. She faces up to 15 years in prison at her sentencing Feb. 28.

Rodolfo Rodriguez was repeatedly beaten in the face with a brick on July 4 while taking a walk in the unincorporated Willowbrook area.

A witness recorded video of Rodriguez as he sat dazed, his face bloodied. The witness, Misbel Borjas, also took a photo of a woman with a brick in her hand.

Borjas says Jones yelled at him: “Go back to your country.”

The case wasn’t prosecuted as a hate crime.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cal ... k-60041885
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lo ... 15-n978201
LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles woman has been sentenced to 15 years in prison in the beating of a 92-year-old man that was captured on video and shared widely on social media.

Thirty-year-old Laquisha Jones was sentenced Thursday following her no contest plea to elder abuse in December.
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