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 Post subject: Shooting supressed pistols indoors
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:48 pm 
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An interesting video. I was amused by how long it took the 9mm brass to hit the floor. And the smoke alarms. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting supressed pistols indoors
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:01 pm 
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how much ya wanna bet the mrs. wasn't home?

shoot out a window into the woods? all i'm thinkin is that i am glad i don't live next to this gomer.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:31 pm 
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You think they had someone posted outside in the yard? In the woods? There is a REAL difference between a gun Nut and a rational enthusiast.

Watch a safe way to test a surpessed pistol. I think it is my pick to replace the Berreta 9mm for the armed forces, FNP- 45 Tactical:

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:49 pm 
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While I agree that just using "the woods" for a back stop is not the best idea, we really have no idea where this guy lives or what his surroundings are.

Pretty quick to jump to conclusions....

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:03 pm 
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Ultravox wrote:
While I agree that just using "the woods" for a back stop is not the best idea, we really have no idea where this guy lives or what his surroundings are.

Pretty quick to jump to conclusions....


+1 Honestly the guys don't seem like total idiots and while I would never fire a gun in my house and out a window it is only because I would be afraid of putting a bullet in my wall or having a bunch of broken glass in my house lol. If he is firing out into the woods on his property I see no problem with it. I have actually seen this video before and found it very interesting. When I saw it originally I hadn't noticed how long the brass took to hit the floor until you mentioned it. I was amazed at how much smoke came out of that .45 though. After two or three shots it seems like it would be pretty damn hard to see your sights.


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Ultravox wrote:
While I agree that just using "the woods" for a back stop is not the best idea, we really have no idea where this guy lives or what his surroundings are.

Pretty quick to jump to conclusions....

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yep! I concluded instantly that I am glad he isn't my neighbor...and that he's a gomer. I merely speculate that the mrs. isn't at home.

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Ultravox wrote:
Pretty quick to jump to conclusions....

If they had half a brain, they would have described their precautions. Kids watch the tube sausage too!

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Yikes. With all the audio compression artifacts, you'd think he jammed audio compressors at the end of his guns rather than suppressors. :lol:

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I was amazed at how much smoke came out of that .45 though. After two or three shots it seems like it would be pretty damn hard to see your sights.


I imagine you're not having to shoot too far at an intruder though.

I question the wisdom of having a gun with a suppressor for home protection. Sure the issue of the sound is often brought up, but that is a long extension you're tacking onto a gun. Going around corners with it won't be easy. More importantly, how do you lock it up when it's not in use? A lot of the speed safes I've seen are no where near long enough to contain the gun with the suppressor on it.

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I was amazed at how much smoke came out of that .45 though. After two or three shots it seems like it would be pretty damn hard to see your sights.


I imagine you're not having to shoot too far at an intruder though.

I question the wisdom of having a gun with a suppressor for home protection. Sure the issue of the sound is often brought up, but that is a long extension you're tacking onto a gun. Going around corners with it won't be easy. More importantly, how do you lock it up when it's not in use? A lot of the speed safes I've seen are no where near long enough to contain the gun with the suppressor on it.


Oh yeah from a practical standpoint it really doesn't matter. I mean if you are shooting at someone to protect your life you are probably not going to be standing there perfectly still. One thing that is nice about a suppressor for a home defense gun is that I think it would be easier to shoot instinctively. If you are shooting under stress you are probably not going to be using sights and will probably be point shooting. It would definitely be a disadvantage for maneuvering though.


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If you are shooting under stress you are probably not going to be using sights and will probably be point shooting. It would definitely be a disadvantage for maneuvering though.


Good argument for a shotgun or carbine for home defense. To me, a long arm is just an extension of my own arm.

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Zenmason wrote:
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If you are shooting under stress you are probably not going to be using sights and will probably be point shooting. It would definitely be a disadvantage for maneuvering though.


Good argument for a shotgun or carbine for home defense. To me, a long arm is just an extension of my own arm.

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I don't have that kind of confidence with long arms in confined areas. For me it would be just waiting to be grabbed by the bad guy at the muzzle. Cool carbine though, I am sure it makes a great home defense weapon. What is it BTW?


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I don't have that kind of confidence with long arms in confined areas. For me it would be just waiting to be grabbed by the bad guy at the muzzle. Cool carbine though, I am sure it makes a great home defense weapon. What is it BTW?


I grew up from the age of 8 shooting a BB rifle. A handgun isn't as second nature to me. Like someone once said, "A pistol is only used to fight your way to your rifle."

That's a Ruger Police Carbine, 9mm. Not mine. They are discontinued. Were made in 9mm and .40 I want one someday.

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AR pistol in 5.56 with 52gr frangables will be part of our HD strategy along with my wife being more awake and armed with a pistol she is comfortable with.

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AR pistol in 5.56 with 52gr frangables will be part of our HD strategy along with my wife being more awake and armed with a pistol she is comfortable with.


Have you considered 300blk for a pistol build? I think it would work much better with the shorter barrel.


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That sure looks like fun; dumb, but fun.

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To be certain! I have often thought that if I could construct a backstop in my basement, home shooting would be a blast... pun intended...

and I am absolutely aware that should discharging inside become necessary I will suffer significant degradation to my already vancomycin damaged hearing...

In fact, the only thing standing in the way is the price of the can itself.

But never in my wildest dreams would I ever contemplate shooting into an area where I couldn't see that where the round was impacting was absolutely 100% risk free of injury to an innocent...particularly to the innocent that I was unaware of.

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Cole wrote:
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AR pistol in 5.56 with 52gr frangables will be part of our HD strategy along with my wife being more awake and armed with a pistol she is comfortable with.


Have you considered 300blk for a pistol build? I think it would work much better with the shorter barrel.


Yep, 7.62x40 WR as well. Low velocity 30 cal is interesting to me.

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One reason for using a suppressor for home defense is so you can hear after the first shot. Imagine shooting a magnum in your bedroom.

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The only thing that would keep me from doing so is the chance of my can getting lost in the evidence room.

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Losing track of a gun that was evidence is one thing, losing track of a suppressor may very well be another.

Also, between use and LEO arrival you can unscrew the can off the pistol.

As for price, I'm really starting to look at the econo can from cadiz gun works for christmas. $75 plus $200 plus ffl fees is not steep. I gotta find out if they can thread it for 45.


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As for price, I'm really starting to look at the econo can from cadiz gun works for christmas. $75 plus $200 plus ffl fees is not steep. I gotta find out if they can thread it for 45.


Not for nothing, but I don't know if I could trust a $75 suppressor. For that, I imagine it's a Pringles can stuff with steel wool, cardboard, and duct tape. I'll let you buy it first.

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As for price, I'm really starting to look at the econo can from cadiz gun works for christmas. $75 plus $200 plus ffl fees is not steep. I gotta find out if they can thread it for 45.


Not for nothing, but I don't know if I could trust a $75 suppressor. For that, I imagine it's a Pringles can stuff with steel wool, cardboard, and duct tape. I'll let you buy it first.

Actually it's an adapter that you screw an oil filter onto. $75 for the chunk of threaded metal with the legal serial number.



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I have to admit it. That's a certain kind of stupid brilliance. If it were only a $100 investment, I'd buy one. That $200 tax stamp hampers some of my interest though.

Their website says that the oil filter has a serial number as well. So you use the same oil filter over and over or you buy new ones? Also, I worry about being able to resell the thing down the road. I guess sights wouldn't be an issue if you were using a scoped rifle or the like, but you'd have to get at least some kind of red dot for a pistol to clear over the can itself.

Definitely a sign of someone being resourceful. What is a suppressor, but a filter anyway?

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Just a heads-up. A buddy of mine on another forum ran across this company at a gun show. They also sell the oil filter adaptors as solvent catchers for cleaning gun barrels. The sales guy said they 'trust the buyer to get the Form 1 submitted' and that they have no control over how buyers use their product. Caveat emptor. It sounds like their sales list may end up being a list of folks that will be visited by the ATF at some point to verify that the forms were submitted.

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