Looking at Shinzen's dragoon made me start thinking about single actions. I don't have one, but maybe I might want one. A lot of them look a bit awkward, or top heavy to me, but as I was poking about the internets, the Uberti/Taylor's Smokewagon struck me as appealing.
Is this crap that just looks pretty to me, or is it actually an okay gun? I tried the internets, but it left me all confused, because apparently cowboy action is all inbred and stuff.
(It doesn't help that, after rearranging my safe, I have two empty pistol slots staring me in the face every time I open it.)
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2That's a good lookin' shooting iron. I like the checkering too.
I haven't heard anything bad about Ubertis.
I haven't heard anything bad about Ubertis.
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4I think Taylors are retagged Ubertis and over-priced. Don't buy that Taylor. Buy a Uberti and use the extra cash for a reloading set up.
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5"Talk me out of this."
No.
No.
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6Simmer is right.
Also, if you can, try the Bisley style grip frames as well as the birdshead thunderer style.
Also, if you can, try the Bisley style grip frames as well as the birdshead thunderer style.
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7I am not a revolver shooter and I also had a similar impression...and I shoot SIGs which really are top heavy. I found instead that the two I have fired both felt to be natural extensions of my arm. Unlike what I am accustomed to, the sight line seemed to fall precisely where one would want.
If you buy one, talk Fukshot into making the trigger like hers...one merely has to think about firing and it does!
If you buy one, talk Fukshot into making the trigger like hers...one merely has to think about firing and it does!
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8It may not be your cup of tea so I agree with Fukshot. Go to a shop and heft a few. I don't think you need to shoot one just to see if you like the grip.
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9Be sure to compare a New Vaquero to it. I find the Ruger revolvers feel better than Uberti. YMMV.
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10I have owned a Blackhawk .357 Magnum 6.5" bbl for... a long time. 'Top heavy' doesn't describe it as well as 'muzzle heavy'. The bore is quite a ways above the hand though, so there is significant muzzle 'flip'. A natural pointer, makes a good 'point&shoot' gun.
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11+1 for New Vaquero. The only downside (other than the price) are that the stock grips are a bit slim for big hands. Easily remedied by the bevy of after-market grips.wlewisiii wrote:Be sure to compare a New Vaquero to it. I find the Ruger revolvers feel better than Uberti. YMMV.
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12I disagree, the Taylor guns are top of the line and are worth every single extra penny you pay to get a gun that works right the first time.Simmer down wrote:I think Taylors are retagged Ubertis and over-priced. Don't buy that Taylor. Buy a Uberti and use the extra cash for a reloading set up.
Are they the same Uberti/Cimmaron, and Pietta guns that you can get elsewhere? Yeah
Do the other stores take each one out of the box and inspect it to make sure everything is ok? No
These Italian guns are all crapshoots - from the 200 dollar cap and ball revolver to the 1500 dollar sharps. These guns all have a high risk of defects straight from the factory. The smokewagon is an upgraded gun (I think it even has coil springs if you are comparing it with ruger), but I would still proceed with some caution. For that matter, I've had horrific luck with Ruger.
If you're at a store like Cabelas and they have 2 or 3 of them, then yeah go save some money because 1 of them will probably be fine. If you're doing a special order, Taylors is the way to go.
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13You came here to get reasons to buy it. We are enablers here, not naysayers.
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14I wondered if there was a difference at all. You'd think Uberti would feel bad if a company could exist just to smooth out their rough edges. As a miser and a tinker I still lean towards the Uberti but that's just how I roll.curtism1234 wrote:I disagree, the Taylor guns are top of the line and are worth every single extra penny you pay to get a gun that works right the first time.Simmer down wrote:I think Taylors are retagged Ubertis and over-priced. Don't buy that Taylor. Buy a Uberti and use the extra cash for a reloading set up.
Are they the same Uberti/Cimmaron, and Pietta guns that you can get elsewhere? Yeah
Do the other stores take each one out of the box and inspect it to make sure everything is ok? No
These Italian guns are all crapshoots - from the 200 dollar cap and ball revolver to the 1500 dollar sharps. These guns all have a high risk of defects straight from the factory. The smokewagon is an upgraded gun (I think it even has coil springs if you are comparing it with ruger), but I would still proceed with some caution. For that matter, I've had horrific luck with Ruger.
If you're at a store like Cabelas and they have 2 or 3 of them, then yeah go save some money because 1 of them will probably be fine. If you're doing a special order, Taylors is the way to go.
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15I don't think the grip frame is any different between the New Vaquero and the traditional SAA clones. I think the big diff is that the New Vaquero comes stock with grips that are more like "gunfighter" grips (less taper from bottom to top than the original style grips).wlewisiii wrote:Be sure to compare a New Vaquero to it. I find the Ruger revolvers feel better than Uberti. YMMV.
Also, is it EAA that sells a Colt clone that has the 1860 Army grip frame? (1873 SAA has the same grip frame as 1851 Navy and the 1860 grip frame is longer and more vertical). Is it the Bounty Hunter?
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16Simmer mentioned reloading, if you take up that hobby then you can consider many different caliber options. As to the Italian guns most of these companies have been making guns since the matchlock era when the arquebus made the armor they had been making for centuries obsolete. Myself I can only speak from my experience with Rugers, I like them and prefer a single action with coil springs and adjustable sights.
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17I still have a mild hankering for a single action.
Browsing around today, I found a lightly used(*) 357 Blackhawk with Bisley style grips for $450. I don't need this to be the best deal in the world, but I also don't want to feel like I got ripped off. Is that a decent ballpark?
(*) It doesn't usually take long for me to get a pistol past the break in stage, so I'm okay with minor wear marks on a gun if it's mechanically sound.
Browsing around today, I found a lightly used(*) 357 Blackhawk with Bisley style grips for $450. I don't need this to be the best deal in the world, but I also don't want to feel like I got ripped off. Is that a decent ballpark?
(*) It doesn't usually take long for me to get a pistol past the break in stage, so I'm okay with minor wear marks on a gun if it's mechanically sound.
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19No...
My guess is check lock up and gap, but I don't know more than that.
My guess is check lock up and gap, but I don't know more than that.
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20If you're looking at Blackhawks, consider one in .30 carbine. Those things are pretty rad. Personally, I don't like the looks of the BH because of their jutting sights....although they do work well. I have Colt SAA and a Ruger New Vaquero with the 7.5 barrel, in 45. I'm not a fan of the coil spring, and the transfer bar, but the guns are solid. Mine's pretty accurate if I do my part.
The Italian clones are much more faithful to the Colt...but without the fine fit and finish. They have the cylinder bushing (which the Ruger does not). If you'll never shoot black powder, it won't matter. They also retain the half cock loading that Ruger abandoned. That's another feature I like.
Single actions are definitely not for everyone. If you're a long semi auto shooter you might not dig the much slower pace that single actions require. But, in my experience, that is where the zen happens.
The Italian clones are much more faithful to the Colt...but without the fine fit and finish. They have the cylinder bushing (which the Ruger does not). If you'll never shoot black powder, it won't matter. They also retain the half cock loading that Ruger abandoned. That's another feature I like.
Single actions are definitely not for everyone. If you're a long semi auto shooter you might not dig the much slower pace that single actions require. But, in my experience, that is where the zen happens.
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22"Talk me out of this"
easy. don't get one.
easy. don't get one.
get two.fknauss wrote:I have two empty pistol slots
i'm retired. what's your excuse?
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23How long is the barrel on the Bisley? If you can heft it take notice of the distance between your knuckle and the trigger guard. The Bisley grip frame is considered by many as the best for handling stiff recoil by many but some experience a bit of knuckle bite because of fat fingers.
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24I'm down to one pistol slot left in the safe (The other one picked up a CZ).
It's an online sale, which I'm always skeptical of, but I've had pretty good luck with so far.
It's an online sale, which I'm always skeptical of, but I've had pretty good luck with so far.
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25The OP said to talk you out of it. I'd say go with a Ruger, old model Vaquero if you can find it, as they're stronger than the new models--for reloaders. Mine has a 4-5/8 barrel and is not top heavy at all.wlewisiii wrote:Be sure to compare a New Vaquero to it. I find the Ruger revolvers feel better than Uberti. YMMV.
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