A milestone for The LGC!!

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A milestone for The LGC!!

#1 Post by mark » Fri May 07, 2010 2:24 pm

This is a very important day.

The Liberal Gun Club, your gun club, now has a Basic Firearms Course. That BFC was submitted to the State of Massachusetts for inclusion on their list of Approved Basic Firearms Safety Courses. Today, we have received notice that we have been approved and The LGC Basic Firearms Course is now course # LTC-019 on the list of approved courses:

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopstermina ... csid=Eeops

More information on the course will be forthcoming as we put the final touches on the student material that will come with the course and finalize the instructor manual.

Several members of the the club deserve thanks for their help and expertise - although I won't announce them all here yet because I am not sure everyone wants that to be publicized at this point. But let's just say that there is no way I could have done this alone. The one person who I think will be ok with announcing it, and who was on the ground in MA doing the footwork for us, and will be one of the initial instructors, was The Inquisitor. As I said, there will be more later, as well as appropriate thanks given to those individuals who don't mind it being posted.

Stay tuned for more, we will be having some tests runs of the course soon and you guys may get to play Guinea pigs for certain sections of the course.

This is a big f'in deal (as Biden would say).

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#2 Post by Grove » Fri May 07, 2010 2:49 pm

Congrats to us! :!: :!:

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#3 Post by Van » Fri May 07, 2010 3:06 pm

Congrats!!! :)
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#4 Post by Paladin » Fri May 07, 2010 3:19 pm

And there was much rejoicing.
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#5 Post by Black Eagle » Fri May 07, 2010 3:23 pm

That is absolutely wonderful. :D

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#6 Post by DukeNukemIncarnate » Fri May 07, 2010 4:03 pm

Every journey starts with a single step.......and this is one big efin step. A big step for liberal mankind! Huraaaaaaaah!!!!
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#7 Post by AmirMortal » Fri May 07, 2010 4:28 pm

So when do weget it nationally recognized? That is the next step right? :D Or at least in FL?
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#8 Post by Van » Fri May 07, 2010 4:55 pm

AmirMortal wrote:So when do weget it nationally recognized? That is the next step right? :D Or at least in FL?
I wish we had some kind of national shooting club for liberals/progressives.

I've been wanting to shoot IDPA for a long time. However, I have no desire to hang out with the types who compete in those. I don't need to hear bullshit about how Obama is a Marxist/Islamist/Radical Black Christian/The Anti-Christ, how liberals love to murder babies, teh gays are trying to "recruit" your kids, Glen Beck is a great American, blah blah.....

I can't attend events like IDPA and pretend like I don't hear the background chatter.
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#9 Post by Skeptilius » Fri May 07, 2010 5:05 pm

Kudos to you guys who worked to make this happen. I'm excited about belonging to a club like this.

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#10 Post by AmirMortal » Fri May 07, 2010 5:10 pm

I would love to open a range locally under the franchise name of the LGC. 8-)
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#11 Post by KlownKannon » Fri May 07, 2010 5:33 pm

Anybody can go out and do things, but it takes somebody special to sit idly by and criticize....I'm kidding! Good work to the responsible folks!
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#12 Post by goosekiller » Fri May 07, 2010 7:06 pm

Very nice, very nice. Can this be done with Illinois, Mr. Paladin? Do they even approve safety programs other than for hunters? If not, perhaps we can do a hunter safety edition.
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#13 Post by Mason » Fri May 07, 2010 7:34 pm

Excellent. Congratulations and thanks for the hard work.

Next - Virginia. I'd like some sort of Range/Clubhouse/Bar arrangement with it, if that wouldn't be too much trouble. ;)
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#14 Post by Paladin » Fri May 07, 2010 7:49 pm

goosekiller wrote:Very nice, very nice. Can this be done with Illinois, Mr. Paladin? Do they even approve safety programs other than for hunters? If not, perhaps we can do a hunter safety edition.

I have the state license to teach the blue card class but becoming an official agency would be a good thing

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#15 Post by mark » Sat May 08, 2010 3:45 am

Paladin wrote:
goosekiller wrote:Very nice, very nice. Can this be done with Illinois, Mr. Paladin? Do they even approve safety programs other than for hunters? If not, perhaps we can do a hunter safety edition.

I have the state license to teach the blue card class but becoming an official agency would be a good thing

From what I can tell, every individual who wants to teach needs to be registered as a firearms instructor in the state of IL. They do not seem to approve a particular 'course', like they do in MA, they approve individuals. However, when you apply for individual registration you have to check off where you got your training. The current options are:

A. Firearm instructor recognized and approved by the Illinois Police Training Board
B. Firearm instructor recognized and approved by the National Rifle Association
C. Other firearm instructor training

Once we get this show rolling a bit, and we develop the instructors course, then they will have to put down our information under option C and see where it goes.

IL and MA are two of the more fairly restrictive states. SC, for example, has no restrictions and no requirements. We are at the other end of the spectrum.


As far as national shooting competitions and shooting ranges, etc. Those are wonderful goals that start with something like this. The students have to purchase course materials from the club. They are relatively cheap and we make a few dollars on each course packet. They also automatically become LGC members. If three instructors in the field each only teach 5 students on average per month (that is one 15 student class per 3 months), that provides us with a small but steady stream of money. A small but steady stream of money allows us to do things like buy better hats and similar merchandise, buy ads, pay for talented folks to create logos and the like, offer cash incentives for authors to write for the magazine, get more lawyer time, invest money, purchase plots of land, etc. This is where it starts. This club, to become more than it is, needs money. Having courses serves the public good by educating gun owners who might otherwise not get educated. That is a primary concern. But it also creates new members and creates some money.

So.... I agree, those things would be awesome.... but these are baby steps.


And if someone wants to start an LGC branded gun range, lets talk. I am sure we can work something out. :)
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#16 Post by Inquisitor » Sat May 08, 2010 8:27 am

I am still waiting on the state of Il to tell me whether I can be an approved instructor there.

I believe this course qualifies for at least the the out of state FL license. I got my FL CCW permit by using a MA approved safety course. From a cursory look at the regs, it will probably work for many other states non-resident permits.

We have as yet to roll out an instructor certification course, so right now there are only 3 qualified LGC instructors for this course. Myself, Paladin and mvelimir. And I am the only certified instructor in MA at this time.

Stay tuned ;)

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#17 Post by AmirMortal » Sat May 08, 2010 9:13 am

As for advertising, perhaps we should consider NPR as an option. They would seem to represent and reach at least some of our target audience. Just a thought.
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#18 Post by eelj » Sat May 08, 2010 9:35 am

Kits that include information packets that could be handed out at gun shows and boat sports and travel shows would do wonders for getting the word out.
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#19 Post by eelj » Sat May 08, 2010 9:50 am

I think that the best way to counter the Brady campaign or handgun control is from the left, at most venues someone with a tin foil hat with a bunch of tea bags hanging off of it has zero credibility. Plus there are going to be a few elected reps. that are going to retire and left wing candidates who are gun friendly will be much more electable. The DFL in Mn. really "shot it self in the foot" years ago with people like Warren Spanous, and it would do wonders if that image could be countered.
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#20 Post by fitterr » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:40 pm

I saw the course listed on the MA eopss website. Does it still exist and can it be taken?

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#21 Post by Mason » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:49 pm

fitterr wrote:I saw the course listed on the MA eopss website. Does it still exist and can it be taken?
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#22 Post by Inquisitor » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:14 pm

fitterr wrote:I saw the course listed on the MA eopss website. Does it still exist and can it be taken?
Yes. Ping me.


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#23 Post by Simmer down » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:26 pm

Jeeze :shock: I thought I slipped through some time portal there for a minute.
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#24 Post by AndyH » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:15 pm

WAY. TO. GO! \o/

eta...holy necrothread. :shock:
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#25 Post by shinzen » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:24 pm

Simmer down wrote:Jeeze :shock: I thought I slipped through some time portal there for a minute.
I know right? A post from Mark???? :laugh:
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