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#1 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:54 pm

So Colion Noir, whom I take with a grain of salt, posted cut and response vid of Kamala Harris talking about her plans on gun control if she were elected to office. Apparently she wants to use a presidential decree to remove the FFL from the playing board? Forget for a moment that she wants to follow in the footsteps of FF VonClownstick and use the decree process to enact patently unconstitutional action but how many people would that put out of work? From Manufacturer down to local dealer and their employees. Gunsmiths? C&R dealers? In some states, like WA, you wouldn't even be able to do a private sale because we have to have an FFL holder broker the sale so that WA state gets it's taste of the pie.
The conspiracy theorist that lives in a deep dark place in my brain (largely responsible for writing fiction and running good RPG sessions) thinks it could be a ploy and she is getting a big pay out from gun manufacturers to create a scare so that sales go way up. That's how I'd write it for a thriller anyway.

Also. WTF Henry is making lever guns with loading gates now and they are really flippin' pretty.
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#2 Post by senorgrand » Tue May 14, 2019 2:05 pm

Well, she just might not know what the fuck she's talking about...
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#3 Post by max129 » Tue May 14, 2019 2:41 pm

SpaceRanger42 said:

Also. WTF Henry is making lever guns with loading gates now and they are really flippin' pretty.
Whoa - it's about time! I love my Henry .357 lever gun. I hate the loading tube.

[Update]- Nothing to see here folks :-). I just looked. They are boutique prices.


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All the side loading models. at MSRP of $1,045 - or about $900 retail.

A Marlin 1894C .357 Magnum 18" Walnut Stock 9+1 is $660 at Buds Gun Shop. Granted, not as pretty.
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#4 Post by DispositionMatrix » Tue May 14, 2019 4:14 pm

SpaceRanger42 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:54 pm
So Colion Noir, whom I take with a grain of salt, posted cut and response vid of Kamala Harris talking about her plans on gun control if she were elected to office. Apparently she wants to use a presidential decree to remove the FFL from the playing board? Forget for a moment that she wants to follow in the footsteps of FF VonClownstick and use the decree process to enact patently unconstitutional action but how many people would that put out of work? From Manufacturer down to local dealer and their employees. Gunsmiths? C&R dealers? In some states, like WA, you wouldn't even be able to do a private sale because we have to have an FFL holder broker the sale so that WA state gets it's taste of the pie.
The conspiracy theorist that lives in a deep dark place in my brain (largely responsible for writing fiction and running good RPG sessions) thinks it could be a ploy and she is getting a big pay out from gun manufacturers to create a scare so that sales go way up. That's how I'd write it for a thriller anyway.

Also. WTF Henry is making lever guns with loading gates now and they are really flippin' pretty.
The loading gates are long overdue.

I watched the NOIR vid yesterday. Harris claims to be certain about her FFL claim. Granted, she is talking about what she considers bad FFLs, not all FFLs. Seems as if ATF already can do this.

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#5 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:30 pm

I find myself hot to trot for that Henry in 38-55. I hope they do one in .357 though. I quite like my Henry BB in .357. I do wish that three calibers they chose to kick off with had the octagonal barrels though.

I am still just astounded that Harris and Booker are beating the same dead horse as one of their go to issues. At least Booker doesn't want to destroy a few thousand jobs and a multi million (billion?) dollar industry. Not that I want his plan either. TBH I have not looked at the gun stance of the other hopefuls, I fear it would depress me something fierce. Is anyone actually addressing the cause instead of the effect?
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#6 Post by CDFingers » Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm

How stupid can one get: "Hey, guys with firepower, ammo, training, and attitude: I'm-a gonna pen-stroke prevent. Everything you luv. Vote for me."

Sure. Ever seen a big dog with a ramen noodle? Like that.

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#7 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:50 pm

big dog with a ramen noodle. . . now there is a visual.
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#8 Post by Mikeinmich » Tue May 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Are we sure the Turnip isn’t actually paying these morons so he can get re-elected? :shock:

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#9 Post by senorgrand » Tue May 14, 2019 8:28 pm

Mikeinmich wrote:
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Are we sure the Turnip isn’t actually paying these morons so he can get re-elected? :shock:
No...no we aren't...
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#10 Post by DavidMS » Tue May 14, 2019 8:35 pm

Problem is that an Obama-era study showed that there was no such thing as a "bad apple dealer" volume of traces correlates with sales.

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#11 Post by shinzen » Tue May 14, 2019 8:45 pm

max129 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 2:41 pm
SpaceRanger42 said:

Also. WTF Henry is making lever guns with loading gates now and they are really flippin' pretty.
Whoa - it's about time! I love my Henry .357 lever gun. I hate the loading tube.

[Update]- Nothing to see here folks :-). I just looked. They are boutique prices.

I already have two levers in 30/30. If they came out with a 357, I'd probably be forced to buy one.
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#12 Post by max129 » Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 pm

shinzen said:

I already have two levers in 30/30. If they came out with a 357, I'd probably be forced to buy one.
I'm certain I will take some fire for this, but I am confounded that they went to all that trouble and rolled out .38-55 and NOT .357 mag or .44 mag.

They must know something about their clientele that is opaque to me.
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#13 Post by Heretic » Tue May 14, 2019 9:57 pm

max129 wrote:
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I'm certain I will take some fire for this, but I am confounded that they went to all that trouble and rolled out .38-55 and NOT .357 mag or .44 mag.

They must know something about their clientele that is opaque to me.
I'd guess it's because .38-55 over-all length is the same as .30-30; the .357 Magnum & 44 Magnum are almost an inch shorter, and likely wouldn't cycle through the action - most likely a lot of the internals would need redesign to use either .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum.

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#14 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:51 pm

KH has gone on to say that she will ban the import of AR15 style rifles. Yanno I could be wrong but i am 90% certain that this country is the leading producer of the rifles she wants to ban. I feel like I am on crazy pills whenever she speaks.

If I had to hazard a guess as to why Henry went with the 38-55 is equal parts marketing scheme and efficient tooling of their workflow. Three rounds of similar length and girth require less work than covering their whole spread. Though I am surprised they didn't go with 44-40, 45LC or .357 as these are all popular with CAS. It might be they wanted to appeal to the hunting crowd first. I have heard from some cowboy shooters that 38-55 is popular for the long distance side matches and Henry has been trying to court those guys since the beginning even though there is a very distinct anti Henry crowd in the CAS community.
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#15 Post by shinzen » Wed May 15, 2019 1:53 pm

I, for one, can fully support this compromise gun legislation of banning the import of all AR-15's. Now that we've done that, nothing more!
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#16 Post by BKinzey » Wed May 15, 2019 2:30 pm

Watching CNN today they had a clip where Kamala stated she would use Executive Order to ban the importation of Assault Weapons.

President Clinton already banned importation of "non-sporting" firearms. :roll:

As much of an active anti 2A person she is, I question if she really doesn't already know that.

So the problem is The Orange One is trying to be a dick-tater through Executive Order. Kamala's solution? "I can out dick-tater that." :no:

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#17 Post by shinzen » Wed May 15, 2019 2:44 pm

max129 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 pm
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I already have two levers in 30/30. If they came out with a 357, I'd probably be forced to buy one.
I'm certain I will take some fire for this, but I am confounded that they went to all that trouble and rolled out .38-55 and NOT .357 mag or .44 mag.

They must know something about their clientele that is opaque to me.
Yeah, kind of surprising to me as well. Obviously I don't know what their sales numbers in each category look like, I'd hope the first models would be based on highest demand, and 30/30 + derivatives are definitely all hunting rounds, while the 357/44 Mag are as well, it's to a more limited extent. Perhaps they sell more in the 30/30 by a lot?
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#18 Post by Bisbee » Wed May 15, 2019 2:58 pm

This thread seems uncomfortably unfocused and ADD to me.

The subject line is amorphous enough to express both positive surprise and outrage, which essentially means nothing. The OP then goes on to describe two completely unrelated subjects, one of which is apparently positive surprise and the other outrage, ironically appropriate to the subject line.

I have to ask, whence did the basic rules of online chat boards (or written communications in general) expand to include multitasking? Am I hopelessly outdated to expect one cohesive thread on each subject? Did I miss something in the past 26 years of the www that requires or encourages conservation of thread resources?
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#19 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Wed May 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Sorry, Bis, just too many astounding things happening all at once.
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#20 Post by senorgrand » Wed May 15, 2019 4:27 pm

BKinzey wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:30 pm
Watching CNN today they had a clip where Kamala stated she would use Executive Order to ban the importation of Assault Weapons.

President Clinton already banned importation of "non-sporting" firearms. :roll:

As much of an active anti 2A person she is, I question if she really doesn't already know that.

So the problem is The Orange One is trying to be a dick-tater through Executive Order. Kamala's solution? "I can out dick-tater that." :no:
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#21 Post by Bang » Thu May 16, 2019 2:18 am

SpaceRanger42 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:51 pm
KH has gone on to say that she will ban the import of AR15 style rifles. Yanno I could be wrong but i am 90% certain that this country is the leading producer of the rifles she wants to ban. I feel like I am on crazy pills whenever she speaks.
It's already illegal. She has no idea what she's talking about, and neither does her potential voter base. She can say whatever stupid thing comes into her head, tell whatever lies she wants, and twist everything up with diabolical spin to no illeffect. Sadly, her First Amendment rights allow her to mislead anyone who doesn't want to fact check her.

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#22 Post by DispositionMatrix » Thu May 16, 2019 5:33 am

Heh. Same things are being discussed in the other KH thread.
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#23 Post by ErikO » Thu May 16, 2019 7:32 am

FFL's get shut down for 'straw purchases' often. Just not the biggest chain of them, WalMart. WalMart has never lost an FFL license at any of their locations.
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