Trial of Orlando shooter's wife may change narrative on motive for shooting

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As the Trial of Omar Mateen’s Wife Begins, New Evidence Undermines Beliefs About the Pulse Massacre, Including Motive
In particular, Mateen went to Pulse only after having scouted other venues that night that were wholly unrelated to the LGBT community, only to find that they were too defended by armed guards and police, and ultimately chose Pulse only after a generic Google search for “Orlando nightclubs” – not “gay clubs” – produced Pulse as the first search result.

Several journalists closely covering the Mateen investigation have, for some time now, noted the complete absence of any evidence suggesting that Mateen knew that Pulse was a gay club or that targeting LGBTs was part of his motive. These doubts have been strongly fortified by the new facts, previously under seal, that were revealed by today’s court filing.

Beyond changing how the public understands the motives for this attack, this new perspective is likely to play a major role in the criminal trial of Mateen’s wife, Noor Salman, that is now underway in an Orlando federal courtroom, with jury selection expected to last another ten days. Salman is accused of having aided her husband’s June 12, 2016, attack on the Orlando LGBT nightclub. She is also accused of obstructing justice by lying to the FBI.
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Glenn Greenwald the co-author is a lawyer and in effect he's arguing the defense case in his own publication, that's not news that's advocacy. Even if there is no "gay" connection or hate crime here, Mateen still murdered 49 people. Motivation can be elusive, it's still not known what motivated the Las Vegas shooter. That the feds didn't prosecute spouses in other shootings doesn't mean that Noor Salman didn't assist her husband, that's a weak argument every case is different. Greenwald should have waited until both sides presented their evidence in court before arguing the defense side.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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The Vegas shooter is a enigma and anomaly they will know what was in his mind when he did it.

It make no sense to play against the gay card the wife might not have know her husband was BI/gay so how would she know he planned to shoot up a gay nightclub. Now she might have know he was planning a terrorist attack in the name of IsIs
It's time to elect leadership not re elect it.
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Greenwald blames the media for running with the anti-gay/repressed gay story before it was checked out, but to me this looks like an intentional disinformation campaign to obscure Mateen's stated motive - payback for civilian deaths in Muslim countries. From the Intercept story:

"As is true of most terrorists, Mateen was determined to ensure that the world knew the grievances and causes in whose name he was slaughtering innocent people. He accomplished this in multiple ways: a running stream of commentary during the shooting spree, multiple statements to law enforcement officials by telephone from inside Pulse, and Facebook postings he published shortly before the killings.

All of these statements contain numerous, now-standard grievances about U.S. foreign policy that are commonly cited by Muslims who attack Americans: specifically, the use by the U.S. and its allies of widespread violence against Muslim civilians in the Middle East, and the perceived need to bring violence back to U.S. soil as a means of punishing past violence and deterring future aggression."
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SilasSoule wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:16 am Greenwald blames the media for running with the anti-gay/repressed gay story before it was checked out, but to me this looks like an intentional disinformation campaign to obscure Mateen's stated motive - payback for civilian deaths in Muslim countries. From the Intercept story:

"As is true of most terrorists, Mateen was determined to ensure that the world knew the grievances and causes in whose name he was slaughtering innocent people. He accomplished this in multiple ways: a running stream of commentary during the shooting spree, multiple statements to law enforcement officials by telephone from inside Pulse, and Facebook postings he published shortly before the killings.

All of these statements contain numerous, now-standard grievances about U.S. foreign policy that are commonly cited by Muslims who attack Americans: specifically, the use by the U.S. and its allies of widespread violence against Muslim civilians in the Middle East, and the perceived need to bring violence back to U.S. soil as a means of punishing past violence and deterring future aggression."
As I recall, news of the popular narrative's debunking came on the very day of some other newsworthy event, so the pre-established narrative remained comfortably in place. Of course, here we had the following:
Orlando shooting motive, gets a new twist..HIV revenge?
And downstream in the original thread about the attack there were several posts insisting the attack must have been about the shooter being uncomfortable with his sexuality.
Attack on Orlando gay club

On topic, there is a mention of the FBI's handling of Noor Salman's case in this opinion piece beating up on Comey.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 478092002/

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Everyone Got The Pulse Massacre Story Completely Wrong
In the wake of the shooting, the media and public focused on certain details, many of which were later determined to be unfounded, and discounted others, like Mateen’s own explanation for his actions. If Mateen had indeed been motivated by something other than homophobia, the grief and terror of the gay community were no less real and no less urgent for it. But the narrative that was repeated and turned into fact ― that Mateen had picked Pulse because of who its patrons were and what they represented ― had the effect of obscuring another, smaller injustice: the prosecution of Mateen’s wife.

A Muslim woman who by her family’s account was beaten by Mateen, Salman might have been a sympathetic figure in a different context. But I think now of Bob Kunst’s sign. A longtime human rights activist, Kunst was protesting outside the federal courthouse, just two miles from the nightclub where the tragedy occurred, as Salman’s trial began. “‘FRY’ HER,” his sign read, “TILL SHE HAS NO ‘PULSE.’” It didn’t seem to occur to many people that Noor Salman might have been a victim of Mateen, too.

“The media missed the story,” Charles Swift, one of Salman’s lawyers said, “because they depended on the government to tell it to them.”

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Salman’s acquittal was historic; the government rarely loses terrorism cases. But her victory hardly felt like one. Right away, it was circumscribed by the very jury that had set her free. In a statement sent to the Orlando Sentinel after the trial, the foreman of the jury said jurors suspected Salman knew her husband was planning something, even if she didn’t know the date or location.
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard and jurors couldn't get there. Investigations have red herrings and this one had a lot of them. We may never know why Mateen chose Pulse over other nightclubs or a shopping mall or a church or a school etc.
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