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With the death toll at 84 and counting, the Camp Fire in Butte County ranks as the deadliest wildfire anywhere in the United States in 100 years. But the last time a wildfire killed this many people in America, many of the circumstances were eerily similar: Parched forests. Strong winds. Terrified townspeople killed while fleeing in their cars. Towns wiped off the map. A nation stunned. It happened in 1918 in Northern Minnesota, near Duluth. “Our photos are black and white,” said Rachel Martin, executive director of the Carlton County Historical Society in Cloquet, a town of 12,000 people. “The images from California’s fire are in color. But they look similar. When I heard Jerry Brown on TV, I thought he could be talking about this area. All the conditions were the same.”

America was a different place in 1918. Woodrow Wilson was president. World War I was in its final weeks. Charlie Chaplin filled movie theaters. Women still didn’t have the right to vote. And much of the country was built around a rural farming economy. On an unusually hot, sunny day on Oct. 12, and following a several years of drought, sparks from steam-powered locomotives ignited the vast pine forests of Northern Minnesota, about 100 miles north of Minneapolis. The monstrous blaze took people by surprise. Huge walls of flame, fed by piles of branches and bark left from logging operations, roared into towns like Cloquet and Moose Lake, wiping several off the map. The fire burned into the city of Duluth. Thousands of desperate people escaped on trains, or survived by diving into lakes and streams. The smoke plume was so big ships in the Atlantic Ocean reported it. Scores were killed as they tried to flee in Model T cars, which crashed and burned along the rural roadways as flames overtook them. When it was over, more than 4,000 houses and 41 schools were destroyed, 249,000 acres blackened and 453 people were dead. Many bodies were never found. It was the worst disaster in the United States since the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

People who live in the small towns near Duluth have marked this year with tributes and commemorations of that terrible event 100 years ago. They have watched with sadness at California’s loss. And they know how long the scars and memories will last. “That’s how you tell time around here,” Martin said. “Something either happened before or after the fire. Every family from here who has lived here a long time has family stories to tell. We have filing cabinets full of them. It was a really big deal.” Families died while trying to take refuge in wells and root cellars. One family, the Soderbergs, lost 13 people, including nine children, when they hid in a root cellar and the fire consumed all the oxygen. A 27-foot-tall obelisk at Riverside Cemetery in Moose Lake marks the spot where 200 victims were buried in a mass grave. The event remains the deadliest disaster in Minnesota history. After the fires, residents sued the railroad companies, but didn’t win repayment until 1935 after 17 years of court battles. In the weeks after, people flocked to the town to help it rebuild. As with other decimated towns, and likely with Paradise, some survivors moved on for good.

“The weekend after the fire, 300 carpenters from Duluth built hundreds of houses,” Martin said. “They worked furiously to make it livable. But a lot of people didn’t come back. They stayed with relatives or couldn’t afford a new house. It displaced a lot of people.” Letters from survivors paint a harsh picture — some of which is echoed in the stories from Paradise. “The flames looked as if they reached the sky, and it roared like thunder,” 20-year-old Tony Hanson wrote in a letter to his sister Alice, after the Cloquet fire. “I cannot tell how terrible it looked out on the west side. Mothers with children in their arms all burned together. Car after car all along the road were burned and Moose Lake is under military rule. It is just covered with tents — soldiers guarding everywhere. You have to get a pass to go in and out of town. They caught one man robbing the dead — they held a little trial and took him out and shot him.” Wildfires that destroyed entire American towns were not uncommon in the late 1800s and very early 1900s.

The 1871 Peshtigo Fire killed about 1,500 people in Wisconsin and Michigan, with so many fatalities that there weren’t enough survivors in some communities to identify the dead. The Great Fire of 1910 burned 3 million acres in Washington, Idaho and Montana, killing 86 and sending smoke plumes to New York. Afterward, the U.S. Forest Service set a policy of putting out fires by 10 a.m. the next morning, and radios, helicopters, planes and other equipment improved safety dramatically over the generations. But now, with hotter, larger fires growing ever more intense in a warming world, creating “fire tornadoes” and walls of flame hundreds of feet tall, whole towns could again burn down, fire experts say. “Fire scientists I’ve been talking to have been predicting this,” said Michael Kodas, author of Megafire: The Race to Extinguish a Deadly Epidemic of Flame. “We’re finally seeing it happen. It’s terribly sad. It’s probably going to happen again and happen more often.”

Fires destroyed whole neighborhoods in the San Diego suburbs in 2007. They burned into the city limits of Colorado Springs, the second largest city in Colorado, in 2012, destroying 346 homes. Last year, the Tubbs fire leveled 2,800 homes in Santa Rosa, killing 22 people.

Deadliest U.S. wildfires

1,200+ deaths, 1871 (Peshtigo Fire, Wisconsin)
453+ deaths, 1918 (Cloquet Fire, Minnesota)
418+ deaths, 1894 (Hinkley Fire, Minnesota)
282 deaths, 1882 (Thumb Fire, Michigan)
87 deaths, 1910 (Great Fire of 1910, Idaho and Montana)
84 deaths, 2018 (Camp Fire, Paradise, California)
65 deaths, 1902 (Yacolt Burn, Oregon and Washington)
29 deaths, 1933 (Griffith Park Fire, Los Angeles, California)
25 deaths, 1991 (Tunnel Fire, Oakland Hills, California)
22 deaths, 2017 (Tubbs Fire, California)
19 deaths, 2013 (Yarnell Fire, Arizona)
16 deaths, 1947 (The Great Fires of 1947, Maine)
15 deaths, 2003 (Cedar Fire, Sand Diego County, California)
15 deaths, 1953 (Rattlesnake Fire, California)
15 deaths, 1937 (Blackwater Creek Fire, Wyoming)
14 deaths, 2017 (Gatlinburg, Tennessee)
13 deaths, 1994 (South Canyon Fire, Colorado)

Source: Jeff Masters, co-founder Weather Underground
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/22/5714558/
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GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS!
Earlier this month I posted that some folks I cared very much about had probably lost their home in the Camp Fire in the Chico-Paradise-Magalia area of California. Well great News, the house remains. But it was a very close call--very close! Like a few feet. In the photo you see their house. All the trees you see around it had been cut down a couple of years ago because of insect damage and for fire safety reasons. They were saw up for lumber and taken away. So on the day of the fire, a fire crew had been stationed on their ridge. You see the animal pen in front of their cabin. The fire crew ran a bulldozer between the cabin and the pen to create a fire break. The pen and the small animal shed (out of photo on the left) burned. Everything up to the fire line burned. (all animals were evacuated with them when they left.) Their house remains with only minor smoke damage. Big time shout out to that Fire Crew!!!!!
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Hiker wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:37 pm GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS!
Earlier this month I posted that some folks I cared very much about had probably lost their home in the Camp Fire in the Chico-Paradise-Magalia area of California. Well great News, the house remains. But it was a very close call--very close! Like a few feet. In the photo you see their house. All the trees you see around it had been cut down a couple of years ago because of insect damage and for fire safety reasons. They were saw up for lumber and taken away. So on the day of the fire, a fire crew had been stationed on their ridge. You see the animal pen in front of their cabin. The fire crew ran a bulldozer between the cabin and the pen to create a fire break. The pen and the small animal shed (out of photo on the left) burned. Everything up to the fire line burned. (all animals were evacuated with them when they left.) Their house remains with only minor smoke damage. Big time shout out to that Fire Crew!!!!!log cabin.jpg
That's great news, something worth celebrating! They probably don't have utilities back yet but maybe they can work on getting the smoke smell out of the house. FEMA may be able to help. I did some damage assessments in the past on homes and apartments affected by fire and I ended up throwing my clothes and shoes out, I just couldn't get the smell out of them.
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highdesert wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:43 pm
Hiker wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:37 pm GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS!
Earlier this month I posted that some folks I cared very much about had probably lost their home in the Camp Fire in the Chico-Paradise-Magalia area of California. Well great News, the house remains. But it was a very close call--very close! Like a few feet. In the photo you see their house. All the trees you see around it had been cut down a couple of years ago because of insect damage and for fire safety reasons. They were saw up for lumber and taken away. So on the day of the fire, a fire crew had been stationed on their ridge. You see the animal pen in front of their cabin. The fire crew ran a bulldozer between the cabin and the pen to create a fire break. The pen and the small animal shed (out of photo on the left) burned. Everything up to the fire line burned. (all animals were evacuated with them when they left.) Their house remains with only minor smoke damage. Big time shout out to that Fire Crew!!!!!log cabin.jpg
That's great news, something worth celebrating! They probably don't have utilities back yet but maybe they can work on getting the smoke smell out of the house. FEMA may be able to help. I did some damage assessments in the past on homes and apartments affected by fire and I ended up throwing my clothes and shoes out, I just couldn't get the smell out of them.
https://www.servicemaster-dak.com/blog/ ... after-fire
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Three more bodies were discovered Saturday in the area burned over by the deadly Camp Fire, bringing the death toll to 85. Firefighters now expect to fully contain the blaze by Tuesday, when a new storm is anticipated to drop rain over the region. The blaze, which ignited Nov. 8 in Butte County, has burned 153,336 acres and is 98 percent contained, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. Two rainstorms that blanketed the area last week with much-needed precipitation helped slow the blaze. “As the days go on and the fields dry out a little more, the roads dry out a little more, we will be in there to try to button up that last 5 percent,” said Brigitte Foster, a spokeswoman for the Camp Fire unified command unit.

Once the fire is fully contained, it doesn’t mean it’s considered to be out, she added.“They’re going to be working on it for months,” Foster said. “Within the perimeter, there are stumps and burning roots that are underground, and we still need to try to pull those up and remove the heat.” A total of 18,733 structures have been destroyed by the fire, including 13,672 single-family residences. The fire is no longer threatening any structures.

On Saturday, firefighters faced steep and wet terrain that prevented them from reaching the last bit of fire line that was still exposed. The conditions pose hazards for firefighters. “That is probably the primary issue — getting folks down in there with the rain,” said Jennifer Erickson, a spokeswoman for the Camp Fire unified command unit. “Rain can loosen up rocks that can come rolling down. It can also loosen some of the fire-affected trees in there.” Crews are monitoring the exposed fire line, Cal Fire officials said. Firefighters have placed indirect lines in the area of the fire that is not yet contained. Ideally, firefighters would be able to dig containment lines right next to the fire perimeter, Erickson said. However, that’s not the case with the remaining 5 percent of the Camp Fire. Instead, crews have dug the indirect fire lines farther away from the perimeter, Erickson said. When indirect fire lines are put into place, fire crews will typically use backfiring operations to burn the vegetation between the fire perimeter and the indirect line. However, that wasn’t necessary for the exposed Camp Fire line, thanks to the storms last week, Erickson said.

The best-case scenario for getting to the exposed fire line is for there to be either a lot of rain that can extinguish the flames, or dry weather that will allow crews access. The rain that moved into Northern California on Wednesday doused the flames and helped firefighters gain more control of the blaze. Officials were concerned that heavy rain could cause mudslides and debris flows in the burn scar areas of Paradise and Magalia. There were no reports of any slides. And that’s because the rain was steady but not too intense, said Bill Rasch, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. “We just got really lucky,” Rasch said. “The rain came down at a slow enough pace and hit the sweet spot — steady rain, not a lot of impact.” The town of Paradise has received 3.22 inches of rain, Concow had close to 5 inches and Magalia has recorded 5.41 inches, according to the National Weather Service. Some light showers were reported early Saturday, but by midmorning, the rain had ended, paving the way for a dry weekend. But that dry period won’t last long.

Another storm expected Tuesday should bring at least an inch of rain to the burn scar areas, Rasch said. A second storm on Thursday could bring a couple more inches, but it’s still too soon to tell. Though the storms don’t appear to be as strong as last week’s, there is still a chance for mudslides and debris flows, Rasch warned. “Even if it’s less precipitation, if it comes too much at one time, that’s when you can have a problem,” he said. “We have to worry about the rate that the rainfall happens. We still need to be careful.” For now, it looks like Tuesday’s storm will hit the “sweet spot” again, Rasch added. On Saturday, search-and-rescue teams were continuing to look for possible victims. At least 85 people have been killed and 249 people remain missing, according to figures reported late Friday by the Butte County Sheriff’s Office. The National Weather Service has sent an incident meteorologist to accompany the teams and keep an eye on the weather forecast, Rasch said.

In addition to dealing with the fire line and searching for possible victims, crews were also focusing their efforts Saturday on suppression repairs, Erickson said. “It’s an activity we do that directly addresses the things that we’ve done in an effort to suppress the fire,” she said. “We put these fire lines all around the fire. Water tends to want to run down those fire lines and can cause excessive sedimentation and erosion.” The focus for crews was to drain the excess water that has accumulated near the blaze. Additionally, utility workers were continuing to repair power lines in the towns devastated by the fire. The effort to remove weakened trees also continues, Erickson said. “It’s just tough conditions with how wet it is,” she said, adding that the ground is still wet from last week’s storms.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california- ... 418233.php

http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incident ... Index/2277
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That’s amazing news, Hiker! We’re so glad to have any good news come out of this event which has taken so much from so many.
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My friend just called to say that after 20 days, the evacuation order is now lifted for residents. In another 24 hours it will be lifted for the public.
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I think this will end up like Katrina where victims left New Orleans to stay with relatives in Houston and didn't return, but started a new life in Texas. Businesses and jobs were destroyed by the fire and many elderly and retirees might not want to rebuild along with those who lost homes and jobs. Chico won't be the same along with surrounding towns. FEMA has a lot of professionals but it's part of DHS and how much money has been shifted from FEMA to ICE, Border Patrol and Donnie's other border projects?
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Regardless of which tangle is in charge, the real fun is still waiting in the wings. Mother Nature is just getting...er...warmed up. Puerto Rico will never be back, there's still money flowing into Houston to rebuild flooded houses again so they'll be ready to be totalled next storm, the Florida panhandle is still a mess, as are parts of the Carolinas. Alaska's had climate refugees for years as their villages drop into the Bearing sea, and folks are migrating away from parts of the Gulf Coast as wetlands there disappear. From here on out, FEMA will likely 'never' have enough trailers or vouchers.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/us/camp- ... index.html
Insurance company goes under after California's most destructive wildfire
A state judge ruled that Merced Property & Casualty Co. can't meet its obligations after last month's Camp Fire, the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California history.

Merced's assets are about $23 million, but it faced about $64 million in outstanding liabilities just in the city of Paradise, court filings show.

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AndyH wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:01 pm https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/us/camp- ... index.html
Insurance company goes under after California's most destructive wildfire
A state judge ruled that Merced Property & Casualty Co. can't meet its obligations after last month's Camp Fire, the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California history.

Merced's assets are about $23 million, but it faced about $64 million in outstanding liabilities just in the city of Paradise, court filings show.
Instead of focusing on further gun restrictions, the CA Legislature should be looking at how to protect CA from all aspects of global warming - utilities, insurance, rising sea water, drought ... I'm not confident it will happen.
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highdesert wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:31 pm Instead of focusing on further gun restrictions, the CA Legislature should be looking at how to protect CA from all aspects of global warming - utilities, insurance, rising sea water, drought ... I'm not confident it will happen.
Agree. However, the state is actually way ahead of most with respect to climate mitigation/adaptation planning. Admittedly, it's a pretty low bar out there.

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Just days after a lawsuit blamed a utility giant’s faulty equipment for California’s deadliest wildfire on record, the company has submitted a letter to regulators saying it found bullet-riddled equipment and felled branches on power lines elsewhere within the fire’s massive footprint. In a letter sent to the California Public Utilities Commission on Tuesday, Pacific Gas & Electric Co. said that a worker on Nov. 9 found bullet-riddled PG&E equipment and a felled power pole in Concow, and that days later another worker discovered branches on top of wires near Concow and Rim roads, an isolated crossroad leading up to Flea Mountain north of Concow where the Camp fire burned last month.

Four customers on the mountain near those two locations had experienced a power outage about 6:45 a.m. Nov. 8, the utility wrote, just as winds were driving the Camp fire into Concow, Magalia and eventually into Paradise, which was more than 90% destroyed by the blaze that killed at least 86 people. A lawsuit filed on behalf of survivors Monday pointed to other PG&E equipment — a failed small metal hook that was supposed to hold up a transmission line and insulator on a tower in nearby Pulga — as the likely culprit for starting the fire. The utility acknowledged in Tuesday’s letter that it did detect an issue with the equipment near Pulga about the time the Camp fire is believed to have started in that area.

But the potential of a second or even third ignition point for the fire — ones that weren’t caused by a failure of PG&E equipment — could play a role in assigning liability down the road. If investigators find that fires started in either the location of the shot-up equipment or where branches fell onto power lines, and either of those fires overtook and consumed the blaze that started near Pulga, whoever is responsible could shoulder any civil and criminal liabilities for the devastation that followed. Under California’s liability laws for utilities, PG&E shareholders would have to absorb the costs if the utility was found to have caused the fire by neglecting to maintain its equipment. If its equipment was properly maintained but still caused the fire by, say, tree branches falling onto the lines and creating a shower of sparks that ignite grass below, PG&E customers could also be on the hook for some of the liability costs, not just the shareholders.

Utility officials declined to discuss the possibility that a private citizen shot their equipment and sparked the fire. They referred instead to their letter to the California Public Utilities Commission. Meanwhile, the utility has proposed a rate increase to the commission that it said would help fund wildfire prevention efforts. More than half of the new revenue would fund a series of safety measures, including “stronger and more resilient poles” and covered power lines across 2,000 miles of areas with high fire risk, and smart meters to more quickly detect fallen power lines, the utility said. The proposed increase would raise a typical residential customer’s gas and electric bill by about $10.57 a month.

Attorney Steve Campora, who is representing more than 400 Camp fire survivors in litigation against PG&E, said he believes the utility’s letter is an attempt to shift responsibility away from the company. “I think that’s why they’re talking about it, but I don’t think that’s what happened,” he said. So far, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection has not announced a cause for the Camp fire, though it has said there were two separate ignition points. “On Nov. 9, 2018, a PG&E employee on patrol arrived at the location of the pole … and observed that the pole and other equipment was on the ground with bullets and bullet holes at the break point of the pole and on the equipment,” PG&E’s letter stated. “On Nov. 12, 2018, a PG&E employee was patrolling Concow Road north of [the bullet site] when he observed wires down and damaged and downed poles at the intersection of Concow Road and Rim Road. This location is within the Camp Fire footprint. At this location, the employee observed several snapped trees, with some on top of the downed wires.”

The lawsuit filed against PG&E this week argued that the utility giant has a history of putting profits before people and claimed that a cost-cutting culture resulted in an equipment failure that sparked the fire. The suit alleges that PG&E has diverted “necessary safety-related expenditures into funding corporate bonuses, boosting shareholder profits, and/or fueling advertising campaigns — while ignoring the serious and irreparable nature of the public safety threat posed by its aging infrastructure and ineffective vegetation management practices.” An attorney in the litigation told The Times his firm plans to file 60 to 100 Camp fire lawsuits in the coming months, including several wrongful-death suits on behalf of families that lost loved ones. The Camp fire started the morning of Nov. 8 and within hours overtook three mountain communities on its way to becoming the deadliest and most destructive fire in modern state history. Evacuations were hampered by limited escape routes and a wind-driven blaze that carried red-hot embers from home to home secluded within the tinder-dry forest, sparking one fire after another. Firefighters said it moved so fast that their only mission that morning was to help people escape because battling the fire was futile. It burned more than 153,000 acres before it was fully contained.

PG&E released a statement alongside its report about the second and third damaged equipment sites:

“The loss of life, homes and businesses in the Camp Fire is truly devastating. Our focus continues to be on assessing our infrastructure to further enhance safety, restoring electric and gas service where possible, and helping customers begin to recover and rebuild. Throughout our service area, we are committed to doing everything we can to further reduce the risk of wildfire.”
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html
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We all know some gun owners who are stupid. These are the folks who give gun owners bad name.

All you new gun owners reading this: don't be that guy.
PG&E said in its Tuesday letter that inspectors later discovered that a hook connecting part of the transmission line and the transmission tower was broken. They also found a flash mark on the tower.

The company also detailed a second outage at another location. That incident was reported a few miles away from the first outage and about 15 minutes after the wildfire started.

When crews went to check the outage a day later, the letter states, they "observed that the pole and other equipment was on the ground with bullets and bullet holes at the break point of the pole and on the equipment."

Meredith E. Allen, PG&E's senior director of regulatory relations, explained that details about the incidents are preliminary and they remain under investigation.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/natio ... ire-origin

We don't yet know the cause of the fire.

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Not directly related to the Camp Fire, but to PG&E Co. the utility provider.
Pacific Gas & Electric Co. continued to commit pipeline safety violations in the years after a gas explosion that killed eight people in the Bay Area suburb of San Bruno, regulators said Friday as they launched a new investigation into California’s largest utility. The fresh accusations add to growing uncertainty over PG&E’s viability as the power provider for 16 million people from Humboldt to Santa Barbara counties. The company could face bankruptcy if its infrastructure is found to have sparked the Camp fire, which killed 86 people last month. Critics have called for state regulators to break up the utility monopoly.

The California Public Utilities Commission said Friday that a staff investigation found PG&E had violated rules requiring utilities to locate and mark natural gas pipelines to make sure other companies or people don’t accidentally damage them during construction and other projects that involve digging. The commission’s investigation found that PG&E didn’t have enough employees dedicated to that work and that PG&E supervisors, facing pressure from their bosses, falsified data “so requests for pipeline locating and marking would not appear as late.” The violations occurred from 2012 to 2017, the commission said. PG&E’s safety practices and culture have been subject to enormous scrutiny since 2010, when one of the company’s gas pipelines exploded in San Bruno near San Francisco International Airport, killing eight people.

“This Commission would expect that after such a tragedy, caused by multiple proven violations of law, PG&E would have sought to vigorously enhance and increase its effectiveness in all aspects of its gas safety,” the commission said in an order announcing the new investigation, which could lead to additional financial penalties for the embattled utility. PG&E was fined $1.6 billion by the commission and $3 million by a federal judge after the San Bruno explosion.
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi- ... story.html
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ca ... ge-n948551
Three employees of a construction company helping to clear the wreckage of the deadliest wildfire in California history were fired after posting insensitive photos from properties destroyed by the blaze.

Photos posted Saturday to the Facebook page of the Town of Paradise, which was destroyed by the deadly Camp Fire that killed 88 people, showed workers posing with damaged property. One photo showed the body of a burned cat with a beer bottle placed near its mouth with the caption, “Dude… I was just chilling with my homies, having a couple of cold ones, and BAM… damn fire breaks out.”

“This is unacceptable and reprehensible behavior,” the Town of Paradise wrote on its Facebook page, adding that the Paradise Police Department was looking into criminal charges.

Construction company Bigge Crane and Rigging issued a statement Saturday saying it had identified three people who participated in “this abhorrent event” and that their employment had been terminated.
Nice folks.

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Well that’s unfortunately immature. Same nice guys that would pose smiling next to bound and naked detainees at Guantanamo no doubt. Seems America is especially “gifted” with a plethora of suh folks these days.

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