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papajim2jordan wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:45 pm
geno wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:55 pm
Wino wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:34 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:21 pm Rightwinger spewing false Rightwing crap.
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If I fart in his direction, the wind will blow it in my face. This is a conundrum.
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Re: The Masking of the Servant Class

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sikacz wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:52 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:05 pm
sikacz wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:59 am
Nailed the perspective. I don’t recall the last nationally elected politician that actually represented the people and didn’t come from a position of privilege. By the time they reach national positions, they’ve all been in a privileged class for a good long time. Lip service is given to the masses, but it’s meaningless in the end.
Well those I can think of in my lifetime that tried to represent the people. Starting with Truman, Mr Citizen, Left the White house and went to live a quite life in Independence Mo., Eisenhower born in Texas grew up in Kansas was career military and saw like Kennedy the common person during WWI and WWII, Kennedy was from the elite but tried to help and represent the people, he saw what the "common" people were like during WWII. Lyndon Johnson grew up in poverty went to a state college to be a teacher, saw the common person up close and personal, and did what he could to pass some of the most social changing legislation passed by the congress. Even Nixon did some things for the people to correct the inequities of the work place and help the people and environment. Carter didn't do much as president but help more afterwards. The last but not least would be Obama trying to help rather than hinder the American people.

Notice there was just two Repugs in my list and Nixon is kinda iffy. Tells something about the Grumpy Old People party.
I’ll agree on Lyndon Johnson. Which is pretty much my point, he was president when I came to the USA as a kid. As an eight year old, I didn’t have an opinion on his politics. I learned about them a few years later. Carter was president in my teens before I could vote. That’s reaching near 50 years back for a president that might have represented the people more. We have for the most part abdicated to vote for elites, not necessarily because we want them. It’s because those are the only choices the political establishment gives us. The elites control.

FDR belonged to the elite class, but all his New Deal programs were aimed at helping those who were suffering during the Depression, WWII finally got us out of it. Hoover had alienated the public. Truman wasn't an elite, a failure in business but made it in politics by joining the corrupt party machine in Kansas City. Post WWII the country became conservative and Republicans dominated Congress, Truman pushed his Fair Deal that included national health insurance and equal rights legislation that were unsuccessful. He used the bully pulpit "Give 'em hell Harry". War heroes aren't always successful in politics, but Eisenhower was and he had the advantage of a purring economy, we were the industrial powerhouse of the world. While Truman integrated the Armed Forces, Eisenhower never supported the the Brown vs Board of Education ruling by SCOTUS.

JFK wasn't from old money but definitely an elite. His father made their money through many a shady deal, but JFK and his siblings got a good liberal education. He supported civil rights and planned on passing a civil rights act in his second term. LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed and split the Democratic Party. He understood poverty, he grew up in it and his "War on Poverty", "Great Society" programs and creating "Medicare" are his legacies. Some of his programs were successful, some were not. Nixon wasn't born to the elite, but became one by holding public office. He was a personal failure but he did do some good things, the Earned Income Tax Credit which he pushed continues to help poor people get taxes back during the year, they don't have to wait until the end of the year.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Eisenhower never supported the the Brown vs Board of Education ruling by SCOTUS.
Well that's not correct. He may not have liked it but he supported the SCOTUS ruling. best example was when he ordered federal troops to insure the integration of Little Rock Schools.
Under escort from the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, nine Black students enter all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Three weeks earlier, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus had surrounded the school with National Guard troops to prevent its federal court-ordered racial integration.
Interesting enough it took till 1972 for the Little Rock Schools to be fully integrated. I was living in Jacksonville Arkansas just north of Little Rock in the mid 1960s. and our schools were fully integrated. But that was due to the fact the largest percentage of students were like me, dependents of US Air Force personnel. The military had a large roll in forcing local schools to integrate after theSCOTUS ruling. They just said all children of the military personnel will go to the same schools no matter what race they are or you will not receive any federal funding. Money talks.
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TrueTexan wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:20 pm
Eisenhower never supported the the Brown vs Board of Education ruling by SCOTUS.
Well that's not correct. He may not have liked it but he supported the SCOTUS ruling. best example was when he ordered federal troops to insure the integration of Little Rock Schools.
Under escort from the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, nine Black students enter all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Three weeks earlier, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus had surrounded the school with National Guard troops to prevent its federal court-ordered racial integration.
Interesting enough it took till 1972 for the Little Rock Schools to be fully integrated. I was living in Jacksonville Arkansas just north of Little Rock in the mid 1960s. and our schools were fully integrated. But that was due to the fact the largest percentage of students were like me, dependents of US Air Force personnel. The military had a large roll in forcing local schools to integrate after the SCOTUS ruling. They just said all children of the military personnel will go to the same schools no matter what race they are or you will not receive any federal funding. Money talks.

Eisenhower obeyed the court order, you can obey an order without supporting it. Presidents lived within the context of their time, not the context of our time. Yes, the power of the purse is strong.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Eisenhower was a man of his times where segregation had been the rule. The military was integrated by Truman in 1947 but it took decades to get it fully integrated. Even today there is still racial issues. Eisenhower being military trained did what all good solders do when given a lawful order they follow the order to the best of their abilities. He did in the Little Rock case and in some others cases where just the threat of sending in the army was enough to stop the protest.

Can we picture TOFG doing the same thing?
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