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Academics on lessons for the US from Canada's move to ban handguns

#1 Post by DispositionMatrix » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:09 am

Canada’s Impending Gun Ban: Three Lessons for the U.S.
In fact, 48 percent of Canadians are in favor of the ban, with politicians in Montreal and Toronto leading the charge. The possibility seems more likely than not.

Though Americans are rarely interested in Canadian politics, American politicians often uphold Canadian firearms legislation as a model to be emulated, thanks to the fact that Canada has (and has long had) a far lower murder rate than America. But on closer inspection, the results of Canadian gun control offer a baleful vision of the future if Americans ever tire of the battle to uphold the Second Amendment.

The Canadian gun-ban debate may prove instructive for Americans looking to avoid the consequences of hasty, emotion-driven gun legislation. Three lessons can be gleaned, with each highlighting the pitfalls of a distorted national conversation and the ineffective legislation it breeds.

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#2 Post by highdesert » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:02 am

Some have speculated that 50 percent of the firearms used in crimes are from domestic sources, but this claim is not supported by hard facts. In fact, an Access to Information request revealed that only 9 percent (148) of the firearms seized by Toronto police were legally acquired in Canada. This weakens the argument that “straw” purchases play a large role in gun violence.

Still, let’s assume for a moment that a gun ban successfully reduced the number of domestically sourced illegal firearms in Canada. Gun bans are never effective. Not in Chicago. Not in England. Not in Jamaica. Public mass shootings often occur in “gun free” zones. But let’s assume for a moment that a gun ban successfully reduced the number of domestically-sourced illegal firearms in Canada. What happens next?

A gun ban treats the symptom, not the disease. Given the lucrative nature of the illegal drug trade, drug gangs would continue to operate. In 2005, the U.N. estimated annual drug revenues in the Americas to be $150 billion USD. If a gun ban reduced the availability of domestically sourced weapons, it would stimulate gangs to broaden current supply channels. Guns and drugs go hand in hand because the competitive nature of the drug trade demands violence for purposes personal protection and eliminating rivals. In fact, one study found strong ties between drug and gun trafficking networks operating inside Canada. More drugs equate to more drug deals. And more drug deals yield additional gang violence. It is quite likely that gun violence in Canada would increase if handguns were banned.

Then there’s the issue of corruption. In addition to cases of state corruption in Quebec and British Columbia, reports from 2007 and 2012 revealed hundreds of cases of corruption among Canadian police and federal officials. For the Canadian government, corruption is the elephant in the room.
Classic urban vs rural fight. It's slightly different in Canada because the criminal law is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. 2019 is also a federal election year and does the ruling Liberal Party want to alienate their rural voters.

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#3 Post by hondo2K0 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:04 pm

Less known fact is that states bordering with quibec like Vermont,Maine have lower crime rate than quibec and Canada as whole country

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#4 Post by Buck13 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am

Guns and drugs go hand in hand because the competitive illegal nature of the drug trade demands violence for purposes personal protection and eliminating rivals.
You can't park a semi in appropriate (far enough from schools) commercial areas of Seattle without it being in front of a weed shop. The only "violence" I know of in the retail trade is the brutal competition for CRE. Weed shops are sucking up all the available storefronts!

I hate to sound like a Libertarian, but banning drugs doesn't make us safer. The National Firearms Act of 1934 was driven by mob violence caused by alcohol Prohibition. How'd that work out for us?
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#5 Post by featureless » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:28 pm

Buck13 wrote:
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I hate to sound like a Libertarian, but banning drugs doesn't make us safer. The National Firearms Act of 1934 was driven by mob violence caused by alcohol Prohibition. How'd that work out for us?
This doesn't make you sound libertarian. I fully agree. Legalize drugs, put the resources into treatment rather than war against and we'd be better off. It's not as if those who don't/won't do drugs will magically want to become addicts if the stuff is legal.

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#6 Post by shinzen » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:21 pm

Yep. Drug prohibition is a HUGE driver of homicides. Thanks to the drug trade, 30k people were murdered in Mexico last year. And that's just in Mexico. Sweeping changes to drug policy are needed if we want to really move the needle.
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#7 Post by featureless » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:24 pm

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Yep. Drug prohibition is a HUGE driver of homicides. Thanks to the drug trade, 30k people were murdered in Mexico last year. And that's just in Mexico. Sweeping changes to drug policy are needed if we want to really move the needle.
Let's not forget the property crimes associated with drugs. I imagine most burglaries and car break ins are "fund raising" ventures for the next fix.

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#8 Post by shinzen » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:34 pm

Yep. Portugal has done some things right on this front:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-in ... ates/Crime
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#9 Post by Buck13 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:34 pm

featureless wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:24 pm
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:21 pm
Yep. Drug prohibition is a HUGE driver of homicides. Thanks to the drug trade, 30k people were murdered in Mexico last year. And that's just in Mexico. Sweeping changes to drug policy are needed if we want to really move the needle.
Let's not forget the property crimes associated with drugs. I imagine most burglaries and car break ins are "fund raising" ventures for the next fix.
Well, legalization might not change THAT. Appetite will still outstrip budget for a lot of people.

OTOH, the weed shop probably won't accept a laptop or smartphone in lieu of cash.
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#10 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:25 am

Coalition for Gun Control Says Handgun Ban ‘Within Our Reach’
TheGunBlog.ca — The Canadian Coalition for Gun Control said in a November fundraising letter that it got politicians to toughen a planned law against hunters and sport shooters, and that the government’s possible handgun ban is “within our reach.”

The letter, published below, outlined plans to further attack the rights of federally licensed shooters by demanding the seizure of their firearms and pushing for more privacy intrusions by police. The fundraising pitch used falsehoods and distortions to seek penalties and punishments for honest men and women, not lawbreakers.

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#11 Post by highdesert » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:35 am

As I said earlier, a full firearms ban (handguns and rifles) if advocated by the Liberal Party of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, would give the opposition Conservative Party ammo in October's federal election in rural provinces.

"14 Stats You Should Know About Guns and Crime" for the gun blog site.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/01/09/14-sta ... don-plett/

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