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8/24 is the next hearing.
https://twitter.com/AGOWA/status/1025174841492533249

Amended complaint:
https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws. ... plaint.pdf
I. INTRODUCTION
1. This case addresses the threat that downloadable guns,...
I would like to see that.
...in the form of Computer Aided Design (CAD) files for the automated production of firearms using a 3-D printer
1, will imminently be released on the internet, making these weapons available to virtually anyone. 3-D
printed guns are functional weapons that are often unrecognizable by standard metal detectors
because they are made out of materials other than metal (e.g., plastic) and untraceable because
they contain no serial numbers. Anyone with access to the CAD files and a commercially
available 3-D printer could readily manufacture, possess, or sell such a weapon—even those
persons statutorily ineligible to possess firearms, including violent felons, the mentally ill and
persons subject to protection and no-contact orders. This serious threat to the national security
and to public safety in the State of Washington was caused by the Federal Government’s covert
and ultra vires regulatory about-face, in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA)
and the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.Until recently, the Federal Government
prohibited the distribution of CAD files for the automated production of 3-D printed weapons
by including such files on the United States Munitions List (USML) and making them subject to
the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which are administered by the Directorate
of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) within the Department of State. As recently as April of this
year, the Government’s position was that if such CAD files were distributed via the internet, they
could be “easily used overseas to make firearms that are subject to U.S. export controls”, where,
“beyond the reach of U.S. law, they could be used to threaten U.S. national security, U.S. foreign
policy interests, or international peace and stability.”
11. The Government Defendants’ unlawful actions—if allowed to stand—will lead
to the proliferation of untraceable printed guns overseas and within the United States.
Domestically, the proliferation of these guns also threatens to cripple the various States’
extensive and comprehensive systems of firearms regulations designed to keep guns out of the
wrong hands.

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max129 wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:27 pm
AndyH said:

As for drug cartels manufacturing fully automatic weapons, why aren't they doing it today?
Andy, apparently gangs are making Ghost Guns today (or having them made). The biggest reason they are not yet doing it in volume is price and availability.

Gangs and organized crime love this combination: The cost to produce is low; it is illegal; it is easy to move; there is a market or a need.

This explains why OC is involved in Drugs for example. Firearms are not quite as easy to move as drugs, but easy enough.

Today, gangs seem to create Ghost guns primarily for internal use, but

If 3D printers for high quality metal parts decline in price, gangs and other OC will get into the market.
I'm sure a smallish number of firearms assembled from 80% lowers are on the streets. Thing is, 80% lowers are 2-3 times the price of a 100%. An AR-15 80% lower from 80% Arms (in California, naturally) is just shy of $90. One can order 100% lowers for $35-$40. But - none of those are 3D printed - they're made by traditional 'subtractive manufacturing'. (Even Defense Distributed's 'Ghost Gunner' CNC machine is subtractive - the resulting lowers are not 3D printed.) As noted in the above post about the first metal 1911, the pistol cost more than $5K and the laser sintering machine costs more than a hundred thousand dollars.

What is illegal about making one's own guns? Not the making. Making by prohibited persons? OK. Not complying with CA law with regards to serial numbers? Ok. I'm not going to paint DIY guns with either a default 'illegal' or 'ghost gun' label.

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Looks like possessing CAD files has been illegal in Australia for a while.
Sydney man faces jail over 3D-printed guns
A Sydneysider facing possible jail time for making replica guns with a 3D printer has claimed he had no idea his hobby could land him in such trouble.

Sicen Sun, 28, was arrested in 2017 after he advertised one of his imitation weapons for sale for AU$1 million on a Facebook buy, swap, and sell group.

He has since pleaded guilty to charges including possessing a digital blueprint for the manufacture of firearms, manufacturing a pistol without a licence permit, and possessing an unauthorised pistol.

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Looks like L.A. is trying to ban possession of CAD files as well.
https://twitter.com/Mitch_Englander/sta ... 6340658176
Mitchell Englander
@Mitch_Englander
Today I introduced legislation making the possession, download, or distribution of 3D printed weaponry blueprint files a misdemeanor in LA. With the emergence of technology expanding the accessibility of such weapons, we must craft legislation to counter these emerging threats.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/f ... -5_(2).pdf

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:01 pm Looks like L.A. is trying to ban possession of CAD files as well.
https://twitter.com/Mitch_Englander/sta ... 6340658176
Mitchell Englander
@Mitch_Englander
Today I introduced legislation making the possession, download, or distribution of 3D printed weaponry blueprint files a misdemeanor in LA. With the emergence of technology expanding the accessibility of such weapons, we must craft legislation to counter these emerging threats.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/f ... -5_(2).pdf
LOL. Good luck with that.
106+ recreational uses of firearms
1 defensive use
0 people injured
0 people killed

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Eris wrote: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:04 pm
DispositionMatrix wrote: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:01 pm Looks like L.A. is trying to ban possession of CAD files as well.
https://twitter.com/Mitch_Englander/sta ... 6340658176
Mitchell Englander
@Mitch_Englander
Today I introduced legislation making the possession, download, or distribution of 3D printed weaponry blueprint files a misdemeanor in LA. With the emergence of technology expanding the accessibility of such weapons, we must craft legislation to counter these emerging threats.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/f ... -5_(2).pdf
LOL. Good luck with that.
LA City Council President Mitch Englander Un-Blocks Critics of His 3D Gun Blueprint Ban After FPC Threatens Litigation
SACRAMENTO, CA (Aug. 6, 2018) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) has scored another important victory for free speech. According to an e-mail from the office of Los Angeles City Council President Mitchell Englander, they will no longer block FPC and the other individuals who were barred from viewing or responding to his official government Twitter account. Englander, a Republican, is a proponent of gun control and bans on free speech.

Last Friday, Englander moved City Attorney Mike Feuer to “prepare and present an ordinance that will enable the City of Los Angeles to prohibit and/or regulate the printing, manufacturing, possession, distribution, sale or transfer of 3D printed firearms of any kind as well as the blueprints detailing the specifications of a 3D printed firearm.” The L.A. Times reported last week that Englander also wants the California Legislature to make possessing home-built firearms and firearm blueprints a felony crime.

Englander posted about his proposed ordinance on Twitter, saying that he “introduced legislation making the possession, download, or distribution of 3D printed weaponry blueprint files a misdemeanor in LA…” But Councilmember Englander blocked FPC and some members of the public critical of his legislation from commenting on the issue and even viewing his Twitter account (@Mitch_Englander). FPC took immediate action, and on Sunday, sent his office and the City Attorney a pre-litigation demand letter.

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Eris wrote: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:31 am https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... id-to-ask/

Ars Technica has a pretty no-nonsense article about the current kerfluffle over 3D printed guns. It might be a good article to share with people who don't know much about the issue.
Excellent find, Eris!

The politicians... I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt but I'm struggling here. Either they (and their staff?) are stunningly ignorant of the real world but mean well, or they're fully aware and are spinning a tale, or they get their talking points from right-wing liberal attack memes. Can they really be this clueless?

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Cory Doctorow gets it. For those not familiar with him, he's a writer and news blogger, and he is very much in favor of strong gun control. But he's not at all happy with the attempts by state governments to censor 3D printed gun plans. I get the impression he'd like to find some way to do it, but he recognizes the danger to society posed by the ways that are being proposed.

https://boingboing.net/2018/08/07/hard- ... d-law.html
Now that Defense Distributed has won a license to distribute those files -- in addition to all the other people, inside and outside the USA, who were already hosting them -- the states have gotten in on the act with several attorneys general suing the US government. They've advanced a number of legal theories about why the feds are in the wrong: the strongest argument is that the State Department didn't publish a notice and solicit public comment before changing its rules. A weaker argument -- and again, a potentially dangerous one -- is that technical information about guns is a "nuisance" and thus should be censored.

This is a dangerous argument for the same reason that the federal government's export control theory was dangerous: it gives the government virtually unlimited power to censor speech, without any objective standards, legal oversight, or due process rights.

I'm personally not very happy about any of this. I think that the American gun control debate is distorted by the monied gun lobby and the years of disinformation and paranoia -- so much of it openly racist -- it had fed to gun advocates.

I'm also keenly aware that "hard cases make bad law": when abusing a law gives the government the power to do something politically popular, they're tempted to stretch the law to score political points (or, more charitably, to stop some undesirable thing by any available means). The problem is that the next time the state decides to censor something on the internet in the name of export controls or creating a nuisance, we'll be operating on the precedent set by the most emotive, polarizing circumstances (that is, 3D printed guns).
106+ recreational uses of firearms
1 defensive use
0 people injured
0 people killed

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https://hackaday.com/2018/08/01/defcad- ... -http-451/
DEFCAD TRIGGERS HTTP 451
Depending on where you live, pointing your browser to Defcad.com yesterday may have shown you something you’d never seen before. It certainly did for me. That’s because I live in one of the two states (as of this writing) in the United States which have scrambled to block access to the online repository of firearm CAD files after they were approved for release by the US State Department.

Anyone using the internet in those states was presented with HTTP status code 451: “Unavailable For Legal Reasons”. This code was named for Ray Bradbury’s dystopian novel “Fahrenheit 451″, in which books are burned to censor the information they contain. Rather than simply returning the traditional 403 error, 451 can be used to signal that the server is willing to serve the user the information, but is being prevented from doing so by court order.
HTTP 451 GOES MAINSTREAM

Published as RFC7725 in February 2016, HTTP 451 originally met resistance when it was proposed by developer Tim Bray in 2013. Some considered it redundant and not significantly different from the more traditional 403, especially since the HTTP status codes are a constrained name space. Why use up a status code when the same information could be conveyed with an existing one? But as more sites started to use 451 unofficially, it became clear the modern Internet needed a way to differentiate active censorship from a technical issue.

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3D gun printing is illegal in Massachusetts, Attorney General Maura Healey says

Reading closely reveals this is more media drama than Healey reinterpreting existing law.

https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/20 ... 202018.pdf
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Our loacal TV station went and had one made and then test fired the 3D printed gun.
FARMERS BRANCH, Texas -- Each plastic part takes a little perfection to make it fit precisely.

“I don’t know exactly what it’s gonna take to work, but we’re gonna find out,” said Michael Lynn, owner of 3D Print Everything in Fort Worth, as he filed down plastic pieces he just printed.

On Monday, he assembled them into a plastic pistol at his business.

As courts consider whether an Austin man can legally publish gun blueprints online for people to print their own guns at home, Michael Lynn says many plans are already out there, including a basic pistol called the Liberator, which he printed.

It looks like a flare gun, but this one is all plastic from the barrel to the springs and can shoot a live round. “I was able to print multiple parts at a time and it took 36-hours to get off all the prints off and we were able to do a time lapse of that that you’ll see,” said Lynn.

It took 36-hours and $10 worth of plastic to print 13 pieces that he assembled into the pistol. That convenience is what worries critics. But the quality of fully printed plastic firearms is another issue.

“People have test fired this gun as we’re about to and it blows up on the very first bullet that they put through it. A lot of people are holding this in their hand and that’s like holding an M80 [firecracker]. It’s just very dangerous,” he added.

We took him to Eagle Gun Range in Farmer’s Branch where owner David Prince wanted to see this printed plastic pistol for himself and agreed to let Michael test fire it. He added a one-inch roofing nail as the firing pin and then inserted a single .380-caliber bullet into the barrel.

On the range, we set up several cameras to see what would happen as Prince put that pistol in a vise and tied a string around the trigger to pull it from a distance.

After moving everyone back for safety, Prince pulled the string to fire the pistol and the gun blew itself apart. “First reaction? Wow. Pretty cool,” Prince said.

In slow-motion, the plastic pistol exploded in every direction. “I’m glad we used a string,” Prince said smiling.

“This is not a gun people are going to want to print and use. Especially when it blows up in your hand more times than it doesn’t,” Lynn added. Parts of that gun lay scattered all over the floor.

“One of them was found back behind the firing line next to the camera. And then we have the muzzle, a small piece of the muzzle, was 25 yards down in the berm. And we have small pieces around. Oh, here’s the spring,” Prince said leaning down to pick up what was left of it.

No question, technology will improve. But for now, 3D printers are likely a best to create parts of firearms.

Both men doubt people will invest in printers to create their own inferior firearms when better quality ones remain easily available for the same price or less.

© 2018 WFAAFARMERS BRANCH, Texas -- Each plastic part takes a little perfection to make it fit precisely.

“I don’t know exactly what it’s gonna take to work, but we’re gonna find out,” said Michael Lynn, owner of 3D Print Everything in Fort Worth, as he filed down plastic pieces he just printed.

On Monday, he assembled them into a plastic pistol at his business.

As courts consider whether an Austin man can legally publish gun blueprints online for people to print their own guns at home, Michael Lynn says many plans are already out there, including a basic pistol called the Liberator, which he printed.

It looks like a flare gun, but this one is all plastic from the barrel to the springs and can shoot a live round. “I was able to print multiple parts at a time and it took 36-hours to get off all the prints off and we were able to do a time lapse of that that you’ll see,” said Lynn.

It took 36-hours and $10 worth of plastic to print 13 pieces that he assembled into the pistol. That convenience is what worries critics. But the quality of fully printed plastic firearms is another issue.

“People have test fired this gun as we’re about to and it blows up on the very first bullet that they put through it. A lot of people are holding this in their hand and that’s like holding an M80 [firecracker]. It’s just very dangerous,” he added.

We took him to Eagle Gun Range in Farmer’s Branch where owner David Prince wanted to see this printed plastic pistol for himself and agreed to let Michael test fire it. He added a one-inch roofing nail as the firing pin and then inserted a single .380-caliber bullet into the barrel.

On the range, we set up several cameras to see what would happen as Prince put that pistol in a vise and tied a string around the trigger to pull it from a distance.

After moving everyone back for safety, Prince pulled the string to fire the pistol and the gun blew itself apart. “First reaction? Wow. Pretty cool,” Prince said.

In slow-motion, the plastic pistol exploded in every direction. “I’m glad we used a string,” Prince said smiling.

“This is not a gun people are going to want to print and use. Especially when it blows up in your hand more times than it doesn’t,” Lynn added. Parts of that gun lay scattered all over the floor.

“One of them was found back behind the firing line next to the camera. And then we have the muzzle, a small piece of the muzzle, was 25 yards down in the berm. And we have small pieces around. Oh, here’s the spring,” Prince said leaning down to pick up what was left of it.

No question, technology will improve. But for now, 3D printers are likely a best to create parts of firearms.

Both men doubt people will invest in printers to create their own inferior firearms when better quality ones remain easily available for the same price or less.

© 2018 WFAA
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/what- ... -581760605
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The plastic gun is already behind the times. A metal 1911 was made in 2013, it's fired over 5,000 rounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Concepts_1911_DMLS

Sure the printer used was over $500,000 but certainly costs will drop.

I remember reading years ago about the development of the bicycle and the worry over "furious riding". It was even suggested that if one rode over 15mph your body could start to fly apart :shock: Never did read where anyone pointed out you could easily exceed that riding horseback.

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