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Paladin wrote:You guys couldn't be more wrong if your names were Wrongy vonWrongenstein.

Rogue one was better than empire.

Suspend disbelief and enjoy.


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We all need it. Just needs to hold my attention for the time frame its allotted. Not make me doze off . lol

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HuckleberryFun wrote:I was in line to watch the first Star Wars when it opened along with every other kid I knew. I went back to see it again X times. Now, after all the bad sequels, I've not mustered enough interest to even see the latest one. The magic has gone.
That's right, kids, when I was your age...
Yep! Sat on the sidewalk outside the theater all night! When the destroyer came downscreen it was the beginning and the end of an era. Dr. Who is much more enduring.

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I was really intrigued by The Force, and bought the book hoping it would explain the details. But much to my disappointment, it was like reading a comic book. Later discovered it was a mix of Taoism (The Way), Zoroastrianism (battle between good and evil) and Christianity (battle between good and evil, "May God be with you"), just a made-up, Hollywood thing.

Have Jedi created a new 'religion'?

"The Jedi belief system is a patchwork quilt of Taoism, Buddhism, Catholicism and Samurai, says Singler. Often the ideas offer a simple dualism of good and evil, light and dark. "Fear is the path to the dark side," Yoda tells Anakin Skywalker. "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you."

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"Star Wars was based on the mythological ideas put forward by the writer Joseph Campbell, who in turn was influenced by thinkers such as Carl Jung, Alan Watts, and Jiddu Krishnamurti."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29753530


Tao Te Jedi: Taoist Influences in the Jedi Philosophies of Star Wars

"One can even say that the Jedi are Taoists in a galaxy far, far away. Indeed, the Taoist too must have the deepest commitment and the most serious mind, for detaching oneself from all earthly attachments is no easy feat. Nor must the Taoist crave adventure or excitement, otherwise his isolation would have been in vain, for adventure and excitement still imply attachment, and that is attachment to pleasure. For the Taoist, attachments and possessions are automatic no-no’s, for one must embrace only Nature, the Tao. The Tao Te Ching’s equivalent for that is found in Chapter 19:

Discern plainness.
Embrace simplicity.
Reduce selfishness.
Restrain desires. (Tao Te Ching: chapter 19)

Nameless simplicity means being without desires.
Being without desires and with tranquility,
The world will keep peace by itself. (TTC: ch.37)

To the Taoist, the mere act of possessing something,

This is called robbery and extravagance.
Really, this is not Tao. (TTC: ch.53)

Love too, is forbidden, unless it is the love that is not selective; that is love, compassion for everything in the universe, animate or inanimate. However, we should not love too much, for then we become attached.

Of gain and loss, which is more distressing?
Therefore, loving in excess incurs great cost. (TTC: ch.44)

The Jedi’s passive attitude clearly demonstrates the Jedi’s abhorrence for violence, parallelized by

Weapons are the tools of evil
not the tools of the gentleman.
When he uses them unavoidably, he is most calm and detached.
And does not glorify his victory. (TTC: ch.31)

And as the Taoist draws energy from the Tao, so does the Jedi draw energy from the Force.

THE FORCE
Be mindful of the living Force.
It is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.

My ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is.
Its energy surrounds us and binds us.
You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock. Everywhere.
Feel the Force flow.

Use the Force.
Sense the Force around you.
The Force will guide us.
It continually speaks to us, telling us Its will.
When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear It speaking to you.
It also obeys your commands.
You will know when you are calm…at peace…passive.

The original idea for the eternal is supposed to be “Nameless,”

The Nameless [non-being] is the origin of heaven and Earth.
The Namable [being] is the mother of all things. (TTC: ch.1)

as stated in the first chapter of the Tao Te Ching. But in order to teach this concept, one cannot keep on referring to a nameless idea, so for the sake of Lao Tzu’s students, he decided to name it.

Not knowing its name, I can only style it Tao. (TTC: ch.25)

But what is Tao? Apparently it is something so deep that no word can fully synonymize itself with it. It cannot even be directly translated as God. In places it seems to be confused or sometimes interchangeable with T’ien (Heaven), The Great Unity, The Great Mystery, The Great Illuminator, The Great Framer, The Great Infinite, The Great Truth, The Great Determiner (Soothill:1973). For me however, its closest equivalent in meaning was coined in 1977─The Force.

Tao is therefore also “Truth”, “right conduct”. Tao underlies the cosmos. Tao inhabits every created thing (Campbell:1973). Like the Force, described as an energy field,

Looked at, it cannot be seen;
it is called colorless.
Listened to, it cannot be heard;
it is called soundless.
Grasped, it cannot be obtained;
it is called formless. (TTC: ch.14)

Once a person hears the Force speaking to him/her, that person is well on the way to becoming a Jedi. Similarly,

The superior man, on hearing Tao,
Practices it diligently. (TTC: ch.41)

Since Tao is the backbone of Taoism, so is the Force the backbone of the Jedi faith. That is why it is spelled with a capital F.


CONCLUSION

There are actually more instances that show how George Lucas draws heavily from the work of Lao Tzu, and if I were to enumerate them all, it would take several dozen pages, and could in fact be a complete dissertation in itself. Star Wars, however, does not draw solely on Taoism. We can also see influences of Buddhist and Christian doctrines echoing throughout the story. What is fascinating however is that the dominant ideas presented are undoubtedly Taoist. And it makes us wonder then how the present generation of human beings, the generation of computers, the internet, and MTV, how they can have room to accept the centuries-old teachings of the sage Lao Tzu. For despite all our modernity, we seem to have a soft spot for the mystical, for the divine, for the things we cannot explain.

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I hate to say it, but I feel like Disney has resurrected the franchise. I really like Force Awakens despite it being derivative. But Rogue One is one of the best movies I've ever seen. Yeah, SW really is about war. I saw the original SW in 1977 when I was 9. I remember the scene on Tatoine (sp?)with Biggs and Wedge and the unsuccessful first attempts at hooking the grapple for the Tarzan scene and the initial DS run.
Yet she persisted.

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The first Star Wars films were strongly influenced by the works of Joseph Campbell. George Lucas made no apologies for wanting to create a new mythology that would capture the imagination of Americans jaded by the experiences of the '60s and 70's.

The Star Wars mythology is heavily Taoist (and somewhat Buddhist) but also grounded in the western tradition of Light vs Dark. This conflict of Western duality creates the drama while the esoteric exploration of darkness within the light and vice-versa is Eastern in nature. I suspect the new film, "The Last Jedi" will be the strongest expression of "The Middle Way" with Luke Skywalker in the trailer saying, "It's time for the Jedi to end..." Many are suspecting the story will lay the ground for the rise of the Grey Jedi, a timely transformation mythology appropriate for our age of conflict and divisiveness.

http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi_Code
"There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi."—Leor Danal

The Gray Jedi Code was the mantra that all Gray Jedi lived by, similar to the Jedi code or the Sith Code. It was written by the first Kage of the order, Leor Danal. He claimed that the inspiration for the code came to him in a vision while he was in a Force Trance.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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First film, duriing my stoner days rocked.

Fast forward to my Daddy days, good kid stuff.

But I just don't understand how anyone takes this shit seriously. Breaking point for me was (don't know the title) some pudgy kid (anti-myth of Luke Skywalker). The movie makers then subjcetd us to a fucking stock car race, you are just coasting.

Buh Buh.
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