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(Re)Loading New Brass

#1 Post by bajajoaquin » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 pm

Thanks to Lurker, I’m going to start reloading .45-70. Since I have no ammo to start, I’m thinking of just buying new brass and starting from scratch. But many people suggest resizing new brass.

Given that I’m going to be using a Lee Loader to make ammo for a Henry single shot, what say you? (Lyman manual just
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Re: (Re)Loading New Brass

#2 Post by lurker » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:05 pm

i've always bought a box of ammo, made it into once-fired, then resize, etc. you're going to need case lube. some gun shops sell reloading gear.
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#3 Post by bajajoaquin » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:53 pm

I was hoping to be able to say that I’d never fired factory ammo out of the new rifle :)

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Re: (Re)Loading New Brass

#4 Post by Bisbee » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:26 am

I don’t see why new brass should be resized. They make them to specs at the factory. It is only fired brass that expands to the chamber size that need to be resized back to specs. Or am I missing something?

I suspect if you run the new brass through the resizing die that they’d just slip in and out as if you weren’t accomplishing much (to warrant the beer).
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Re: (Re)Loading New Brass

#5 Post by offensivename » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:16 am

Brand new, unfired brass doesn't need to be resized unless your rifle is super finicky. Generally I pay the extra to get brass that comes with a bang-pew but since thats not your goal you should be able to just take new, unprimed brass and prime it, then load with powder and stick a bullet in the top then shoot away.

You may consider loading one without powder/primer to make sure it chambers with your setup.

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#6 Post by Marlene » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:24 am

If your gun chambers the brass, it can be loaded for your gun with the Lee Loader. Follow the directions. I suggest IMR 4198 or H 4198 as a powder choice used with a scale.
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#7 Post by bajajoaquin » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:29 pm

Thanks for the recommendation. IMR seems to be a good powder that is recommended for a lot of different 45-70 loads. It’s also out of stock in a lot of places. I did manage to find some, and have my brass and other components on the way.

Now to save up a few bucks for the Henry!

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#8 Post by shinzen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:52 pm

I like how lurker strongarmed you into buying the Henry by getting you setup reloading. That is damned near peak enabling right there.
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#9 Post by lurker » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:58 pm

shinzen wrote:
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I like how lurker strongarmed you into buying the Henry by getting you setup reloading. That is damned near peak enabling right there.
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#10 Post by bajajoaquin » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:34 pm

Let’s remember how hard he had to push as well:

“Does anyone want a lee loader?”

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#11 Post by lurker » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:44 pm

bajajoaquin wrote:
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Let’s remember how hard he had to push as well:

“Does anyone want a lee loader?”

“I do, I do!”
and while probably the most enthusiastic, you weren't alone.
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#12 Post by shinzen » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:00 am

It was a tough sell for sure.
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#13 Post by Marlene » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:27 am

I needed an excuse to devote another shelf to dies.
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#14 Post by bajajoaquin » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:57 am

I'm now shopping for 7.62x54r reloadable rounds. I might have to get me a second one....

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#15 Post by CDFingers » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:22 am

shinzen wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:52 pm
I like how lurker strongarmed you into buying the Henry by getting you setup reloading. That is damned near peak enabling right there.
This is why I block lurker for three days after I receive any money. ;-)

With respect to the OP, I've only bought new brass like four times. I sized them. They're still going, so no need yet for more new.

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#16 Post by bajajoaquin » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:06 pm

45-70 brass and bullets showed up today. It’s next to .44 mag for reference. It’s huge!
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#17 Post by lurker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:53 pm

that's what she said! :bananadance:

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#18 Post by eelj » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:52 pm

bajajoaquin wrote:
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45-70 brass and bullets showed up today. It’s next to .44 mag for reference. It’s huge!

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What brand is the brass?

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#19 Post by bajajoaquin » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:23 am

Starline. Discussion of it indicated that it was inexpensive and good quality. Downside is that the shape of the case down by the rim has a large radius that reduces case volume over Hornady or Winchester. Since I’m not trying to find max loads, that wasn’t an issue.

I got a call from the store where I bought the powder. They were the only ones I found with it in stock. Ironically, it’s the CCI primers that are now holding up the order.

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#20 Post by lurker » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 am

i'm thinking that it might help those sitting on the fence about reloading if you talk about it here as you make your way into it. bearing in mind that this is probably the slowest, least convenient, albeit cheapest, way to reload.
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#21 Post by eelj » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:39 pm

If a person has enough success using the whack a mole system I just hope they might branch out and get a press. A good O frame press like the Lee cast iron press will last for ever and will produce excellent ammo. A person can really make cheap ammo and depending on how far they want to go with the hobby can make any caliber even 9mm far cheaper than factory ammo. And yes Starline
brass has been very good for me in the calibers that I have bought. I have not found a single bad primer pocket and I have bought in 500 rd lots for four different calibers some twice.

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#22 Post by bajajoaquin » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:09 pm

Of course, what they may learn from me is that I don’t follow through....

But for now I am.

Looking at the Lee Loader data http://leeloaderdata.com/data/4570.htm, it gives different powder weights in grains. It also says to use the dipper and to make sure it’s 3.1cc.

Is it correct to take from this that all the loads are a single scoop and the different weights represent different powder densities? Is it further correct to deduce that the different velocities with the same volumes represent different “power”for each powder?

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#23 Post by CDFingers » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:27 pm

You should really get a scale. Use the dippers to dump it on the scale. Do that until you have a feel for the dippers, then you can get fairly consistent loads. I use dippers for target hand gun loads but not for rifles. I weigh all those.

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#24 Post by bajajoaquin » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:20 pm

I have a scale. I bought it during an attempt to transfer all my volume based measurements to grams. For dried herbs, that meant micrograms. But it never took, so I just have a digital microgram scale and nothing to do with it.

But I want to understand the system.

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Re: (Re)Loading New Brass

#25 Post by lurker » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:23 am

the scoops give what is called a "volumetric equivalent". this is only an approximation, and varies with things like powder density and cut. a grain is 1/7,000th of a pound, so you can do the conversion to micrograms if you like. i found it easier to just buy a scale in grains. your mileage may vary.
yes, different powders burn at different speeds and release more or less energy, so they're not interchangeable, you can't just swap them without some head-scratching and looking things up on tables.
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