Reloading - The Time vs. Money Trade-Off

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Re: Reloading - The Time vs. Money Trade-Off

#76 Post by MaxwellG » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:15 pm

CowboyT wrote:Ya know, I hear this sort of thing come up lots of times. I find that it depends on several things:

1.) how much you shoot - 2 times a month
2.) *what* you shoot - 45LC in a lever action rifle and soon a SAA Pistol
3.) availability of what you shoot - Oh it's available...and expensive too so more "Bang" for the buck?
4.) how much fun you have while doing it, and - lots
5.) the ethics that you perceive in the act of rolling your own - Did it with tobacco and well "cough" some 420 caliber rounds.

And finally, the most important--to me--reason to reload: DOGGONE IT, IT'S OUR RIGHT! We have a right to do this, and I perceive rollin' my own as simply another aspect of exercising my Second Amendment rights.

And that's why I think it's worth it.
I'd like to start with .45LC and maybe add 45 ACP as I have 1 1911...soon to have a 2nd one.

I've been looking at a Lee 50th Anniversary Kit and the Challenger Kit - difference is one has a hand primer, the other is tube mounted on the press - which one?

Any advice on this?
I've been "tinkering" a bit
Next seems reloading could be fun...I think the "hook is set" it's an official hobby and it's like I don't have enough hobbies, but so what...right?
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#77 Post by Marlene » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm

The hand primer is a nice option to have. Lots of people prefer it. Hand priming (for decades only the inexpensive Lee primer) is thought to give better uniformity of primer seating pressure by the precision benchrest rifle folks, so don't think of it as somehow lesser at all.

If you have the option of a kit that features their bigger Classic Cast press, I recommend it. While their smaller single stage presses are just fine, the Classic Cast is on par with (or better than) a lot of the fancy brand single stage presses. Very precise, and tons of power for sizing (and forming) bigger rifle cases. For small stuff and handgun cases, the bigger press makes more room to reach in with your fingers and is definitely an ergonomic plus.
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#78 Post by atxgunguy » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:58 pm

My buddy at work just bought a Dillon 650. I predict this may be the year I start rolling my own...at the very least, giving him years of brass casings to fill.
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#79 Post by harriss » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:38 pm

I just had to put in my 2 cents worth here. My original reason for getting into reloading was that I bought an old Savage 110L at a gun show in .264 Winchester Magnum. The seller had 1 or 2 boxes of ammo. Then I went looking for more ammo and found out it was over $2 a round. I bought a used Lyman crusher with the priming arm at an estate sale and dies, brass, bullets from MidwayUSA, then powder, shellholders, and primers from my local gun shop and I was a happy camper. Since then, about 14 years ago, I reload every round I shoot. However, in my concealed carry I use factory ammo since you never know when you might have to defend yourself and if you end up in court a smart ass lawyer could say you made a "hot" round just for his client.

And I still have that Savage 110L in .264 Win Mag.
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#80 Post by lurker » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:21 pm

harriss wrote:a smart ass lawyer could say you made a "hot" round just for his client.
apparently not hot enough if the perp client is still alive.
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#81 Post by eelj » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:59 pm

For a single stage press the Lee cast iron model is as good as it gets. They make 2 versions, one with the die insert bushings and one that is conventional. I have no experience with the quick inserts and feel that for them to actually pay off you need one for every die you own and then you can trim a few seconds off of putting in your dies. The Lee has a hollow ram for depriming which I really like and have used one because my Redding press also has one. What kind of 45 Colt ammo are you interested in making?

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#82 Post by shinzen » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:11 pm

Marlene wrote:Can you tell us about your jacketed swaging setup?
Seconded. I'd love to take that plunge someday. Maybe videos or pictures as well
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#83 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:06 pm

I enjoy reloading and at my initial start point reloading my purchased ammo I am saving about $10 per 50 rounds. I think the savings should increase a bit if I start harvesting range brass but next month will skew my cost because I also be re loading 45 colt.
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#84 Post by eelj » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:13 pm

SpaceRanger42 wrote:I enjoy reloading and at my initial start point reloading my purchased ammo I am saving about $10 per 50 rounds. I think the savings should increase a bit if I start harvesting range brass but next month will skew my cost because I also be re loading 45 colt.
Do you plan on making your own cowboy action ammo?

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#85 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:04 pm

eelj wrote:
SpaceRanger42 wrote:I enjoy reloading and at my initial start point reloading my purchased ammo I am saving about $10 per 50 rounds. I think the savings should increase a bit if I start harvesting range brass but next month will skew my cost because I also be re loading 45 colt.
Do you plan on making your own cowboy action ammo?
Yes and no. I can def reload to keep the rounds wtithin the rules for that game and i do use cast bullets but not planning on JUST that.
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#86 Post by BillMcD » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:38 pm

lurker wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:21 pm
harriss wrote:a smart ass lawyer could say you made a "hot" round just for his client.
apparently not hot enough if the perp client is still alive.
Normally the client is the family of the deceased... or an anti self defense prosecutor. Regardless, I might pick up reloading at some point if/when i get into higher priced rounds. I would probably even reload my 5.56(maybe make grendels or something) and .357s, but I would scare my family if i started carrying around jars of explosive powder. Also i don't have any workspace for this. First world problems :roll:

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#87 Post by leftneck » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:03 pm

Typically I haven't reloaded 9mm, because the time vs money equation didn't work out. Now that I have a turret press I might revisit that.

When it comes to .38 Special Wadcutters, 10mm Auto, and center fire rifle ammo, I save quite a bit of money.

Also I can load stuff that really isn't available. Most of the commercially available 10mm, 200 Grain hardcast WFN loads out there are loaded hotter than they need to be, and have failures in Glock 20's for example. Another example is that I've duplicated the old 30-30 Short Range small game load that hasn't been made since WW2, and I find it very handy when I'm woodsbumming.

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#88 Post by m1ckDELTA » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:31 pm

I'm in the state that shall not be named so it's about way more than money; the state has extended their draconian firearm regulations to the purchase of ammo. Luckily, once I started reloading/handloading I found that I liked it.

BTW, these laws are headed your way unless you act before it's too late.
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#89 Post by SubRosa » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:11 am

I haven't reloaded in years, but it was great therapy.

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#90 Post by MaxwellG » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:12 pm

The Time vs Money will play out to an advantage in me being able to shoot more .45 LC.
The stuff is expensive so I'd do better to "get more bang for my buck" by reloading.

I'm hoping soon here I'll get that Lee Deluxe Challenger Kit along with some other supplies (goodies) yes!
I've cut back on some of my hobbies, target shooting is one of the more enjoyable ones.

I plan on starting off with .45 LC as I want to shoot it more in my Winchester 1894 Lever Action, I plan on getting a SAA Uberti in .45 LC as well.
I'll be getting a Die set for that and I suppose for .45 ACP as well.
These calibers I want to shoot more often.

I may add 38 SP &.357 Magnum as I have both a revolver and rifle in this caliber...wishing also that some day to add a SAA pistol.
I've decided that 9mm is so inexpensive that there's no point for me reloading it.
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#91 Post by SpaceRanger42 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:12 pm

I find that my costs reduce more as my time goes on and there are only a few variables. I can reload my pistol calibers (9mm, 357, 38sp) for a little less than half of the initial investment. My big savings comes in on .45 colt and .223 but the best over all is on 9mm and .223 as I can harvest twice as much brass from the range as I take with me. My cost on .308 is still a little high because I don't have that brass build up yet and the volume of powder needed is significantly more than for .223. I don't figure time into the cost because I enjoy reloading and the end result is better than what I can buy commercially.
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#92 Post by VodoundaVinci » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:55 pm

I just started hand loading 6.5 Creedmoor, my first rifle cartridge. Even as a beginner my accuracy improved 50% and I'm not even tweaking it yet. Basically I'm stunned at how much better my home rolled ammo is than even top end factory ammo. I can build it to the gun that shoots it and even moderate control over little things like COAL and neck tension and precision charge weights builds super precision ammunition.

The only reason I shoot any factory ammunition is to get the brass. :lol:

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Re: Reloading - The Time vs. Money Trade-Off

#93 Post by spara » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:06 pm

VodoundaVinci wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:55 pm
I just started hand loading 6.5 Creedmoor, my first rifle cartridge. Even as a beginner my accuracy improved 50% and I'm not even tweaking it yet. Basically I'm stunned at how much better my home rolled ammo is than even top end factory ammo. I can build it to the gun that shoots it and even moderate control over little things like COAL and neck tension and precision charge weights builds super precision ammunition.

The only reason I shoot any factory ammunition is to get the brass. :lol:

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I'm planning on loading 6.5 Creedmoor next year, would you mind sharing your load data?

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