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CIP data

#1 Post by Antiquus » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:37 pm

We talk about SAAMI data in the US, but Swissdog mentioned CIP in a post and brought it to memory again. Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (Permanent International Commission for Firearms Testing – commonly abbreviated as C.I.P. or CIP) is the European (mostly) group that does independent evaluation and testing of firearms from SAAMI, although they do swap data. I went looking for a website, to see if they offered data publicly, unlike SAAMI which offers standards through ANSI, which are copyrighted and they expect to be paid. CIP offers them for free.

Here is the website page where the data is available in 3 languages. The data that we are most interested in appears under the TDCC column. It looks like this:
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Re: CIP data

#2 Post by Antiquus » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:52 pm

The good part is it's a nice reference. The bad part is all the units are metric. 25.4mm=1 inch, you have a computer so use it. Also the Pmax value is the maximum design pressure, PK is the maximum value a gun should ever see due to variations in loading, and PE is the Proof Fire pressure at the factory. Oh, and 1 bar = 14.504psi so 1500bar = 21755psi. SAAMI's data for a .38spl +P is 18500psi and their equivalent to the PK value is 19,900psi, vs 25,020psi for CIP.

I picked this one on purpose, as the .38spl is known to have got a huge nerf in 1972, and CIP didn't get the memo, or maybe didn't bother to read it... :roflmao:

So respectfully requesting this be a sticky, free data like this isn't too common.
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#3 Post by eelj » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:29 pm

So respectfully requesting this be a sticky, free data like this isn't too common.
I second that motion. thanks for digging it up. Those damn euros don't even know how to post the dates correctly ;)
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Re: CIP data

#4 Post by Fukshot » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:00 am

Fucking awesome!!!

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Re: CIP data

#5 Post by Antiquus » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:50 pm

Bump, sticky?
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#6 Post by sikacz » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:07 am

Antiquus wrote:Bump, sticky?
Cool info!
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#7 Post by beaurrr » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:17 am

That's a great resource; thanks for sharing.
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#8 Post by Inquisitor » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:16 pm

It already is a sticky.

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Re: CIP data

#9 Post by Antiquus » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:11 pm

Found the SAAMI specs through them for free - unusual for an ANSI spec. Maybe make this a separate sticky.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and ... /index.cfm
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Re: CIP data

#10 Post by TheViking » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:48 pm

Antiquus wrote:The bad part is all the units are metric.
The bad part is that only three countries haven't gotten around to using the Metric System. Liberia, Myanmar and the US of A...

Then again, it makes way too much sense when all units are interlocked and can are divided in tens. Must be communist!
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#11 Post by Antiquus » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:13 pm

You don't have to sell me, I use both systems interchangeably daily. In defense of the Imperial system, everything is divisible by two, and the common use of fractions makes this possible. The bad news I refer to is the reaction by the typical US citizen confronted by metric units.
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#12 Post by workinstiff » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:46 am

Bookmarked! I'm comfortable with the metric system and find fractions to be annoying.
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