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CIP data

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:37 pm
by Antiquus
We talk about SAAMI data in the US, but Swissdog mentioned CIP in a post and brought it to memory again. Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (Permanent International Commission for Firearms Testing – commonly abbreviated as C.I.P. or CIP) is the European (mostly) group that does independent evaluation and testing of firearms from SAAMI, although they do swap data. I went looking for a website, to see if they offered data publicly, unlike SAAMI which offers standards through ANSI, which are copyrighted and they expect to be paid. CIP offers them for free.

Here is the website page where the data is available in 3 languages. The data that we are most interested in appears under the TDCC column. It looks like this:

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:52 pm
by Antiquus
The good part is it's a nice reference. The bad part is all the units are metric. 25.4mm=1 inch, you have a computer so use it. Also the Pmax value is the maximum design pressure, PK is the maximum value a gun should ever see due to variations in loading, and PE is the Proof Fire pressure at the factory. Oh, and 1 bar = 14.504psi so 1500bar = 21755psi. SAAMI's data for a .38spl +P is 18500psi and their equivalent to the PK value is 19,900psi, vs 25,020psi for CIP.

I picked this one on purpose, as the .38spl is known to have got a huge nerf in 1972, and CIP didn't get the memo, or maybe didn't bother to read it... :roflmao:

So respectfully requesting this be a sticky, free data like this isn't too common.

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:29 pm
by eelj
So respectfully requesting this be a sticky, free data like this isn't too common.
I second that motion. thanks for digging it up. Those damn euros don't even know how to post the dates correctly ;)

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:00 am
by Fukshot
Fucking awesome!!!

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:50 pm
by Antiquus
Bump, sticky?

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:07 am
by sikacz
Antiquus wrote:Bump, sticky?
Cool info!

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:17 am
by beaurrr
That's a great resource; thanks for sharing.

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:16 pm
by Inquisitor
It already is a sticky.

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:11 pm
by Antiquus
Found the SAAMI specs through them for free - unusual for an ANSI spec. Maybe make this a separate sticky.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and ... /index.cfm

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:48 pm
by TheViking
Antiquus wrote:The bad part is all the units are metric.
The bad part is that only three countries haven't gotten around to using the Metric System. Liberia, Myanmar and the US of A...

Then again, it makes way too much sense when all units are interlocked and can are divided in tens. Must be communist!

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:13 pm
by Antiquus
You don't have to sell me, I use both systems interchangeably daily. In defense of the Imperial system, everything is divisible by two, and the common use of fractions makes this possible. The bad news I refer to is the reaction by the typical US citizen confronted by metric units.

Re: CIP data

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:46 am
by workinstiff
Bookmarked! I'm comfortable with the metric system and find fractions to be annoying.