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#1 Post by CDFingers » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:43 pm

I was thinking of getting an ultrasonic cleaning, filling it with Hoppes No. 9, and dropping in my MKII, whole,

What could go wrong?

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#2 Post by Simmer down » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:46 pm

I bet that would do it. I've used dish soap in mine and it flushes the gunk.
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#3 Post by CDFingers » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:57 pm

I thought water might make rust, so Hoppes

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#4 Post by Marlene » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:13 pm

Flammables in an ultrasonic is a very bad idea
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#5 Post by shinzen » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:26 pm

Yeah, not hoppes. Hornady makes a specific gun solution that works well.

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#6 Post by Bisbee » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:51 am

I second Marlene's caution. An ultrasonic cleaner with Hoppe's #9 in it sounds like trouble.
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#7 Post by CDFingers » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:31 am

That's why I asked. Where do I find this Hornady stuff? At Sportsman's Warehouse, for example?

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http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/spor ... /cat100141

I mean, I was going to do it outside--after all, I boiled pine tar and turpentine in a George Foreman grill outdoors. Had a shovel nearby and everything.

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#8 Post by lurker » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:47 am

i used to clean auto parts in a coffee can full of gasoline. while smoking. never had a problem. good idea? probably not.
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#9 Post by CDFingers » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:08 pm

lurker wrote:i used to clean auto parts in a coffee can full of gasoline. while smoking. never had a problem. good idea? probably not.
Yeah, smoking is bad for ya.

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#10 Post by pokute » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:19 pm

The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.

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#11 Post by Bang » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:59 pm

pokute wrote:The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.
Hmmm...
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?

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#12 Post by nigel » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:42 pm

Bang wrote:
pokute wrote:The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.
Hmmm...
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?
You show show me your steel molecule, and I'll show you my Loch Ness monster.
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#13 Post by pokute » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:31 pm

nigel wrote:
Bang wrote:
pokute wrote:The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.
Hmmm...
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?
You show show me your steel molecule, and I'll show you my Loch Ness monster.
I don't have time to give a chemistry lesson today. Suffice it to say, the Hoppe's Elite functions as advertised, but doesn't have an awesome smell, so has never become popular. I prefer Hoppe's #9, and my own formula made from Dexron 3, 0-15 motor oil, Nitro 9 fuel additive, and a dash of amyl acetate, because Hoppe's #9 and my formula both smell toxically bitchin' due to the presence of amyl acetate, aka oil of pears or banana oil.

Ultrasonic is kind of old school and not worth the bucks for a little vibrator thingy glued to a cheap steel pan.

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#14 Post by nigel » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:04 pm

pokute wrote:
nigel wrote:
Bang wrote:
pokute wrote:The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.
Hmmm...
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?
You show show me your steel molecule, and I'll show you my Loch Ness monster.
I don't have time to give a chemistry lesson today. Suffice it to say, the Hoppe's Elite functions as advertised,.
Molecules and pores, not a crystalline structure with grain boundaries?
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#15 Post by pokute » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:24 pm

nigel wrote:
pokute wrote:
nigel wrote:
pokute wrote:The new ammonia based Hoppe's is awesome. Doesn't even need the ultrasonics: http://www.hoppes.com/elite/elite-gun-cleaner

But it doesn't have the smell, sigh.
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?
You show show me your steel molecule, and I'll show you my Loch Ness monster.
I don't have time to give a chemistry lesson today. Suffice it to say, the Hoppe's Elite functions as advertised.
nigel wrote:Molecules and pores, not a crystalline structure with grain boundaries?
Yikes... Quoting hell! Need to unravel this... There!

Okay, back from the lawyer, chemistry lesson follows:

It is not the language that I would use, but it is not wrong.

Consider that the product is a fairly complex solution of salts that is designed to dissolve (and neutralize the resulting compounds!) a wide range of chemical species that would not be part of any common steel.

Further, it must not leave any residue that can contribute to future reactions.

Further, it must not react to any appreciable degree with the disparate compounds (hence molecules) that make up the "steel" (a heterogeneous brickle with typically no fewer than five phases present).

Ideally, it should provide some passivation effect AND leave a residual barrier over the cleaned surface - A surface that is, at a very small level, cratered like the moon after being scrubbed with incandescent hot particles and gases... A layer many molecules thick is in left as porous as a sponge by the action of the propellant gases and entrained particles ;)

So, the technical writer, with a minimal science education consisting perhaps of no more than a year each of chemistry, physics, and biology would write about molecules and pores, justified by his lack of specialized metallurgical knowledge.

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#16 Post by nigel » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:25 pm

pokute wrote:
nigel wrote:
Elite Gun Cleaner not only penetrates down to the steel's molecular pores while cleaning carbon, copper and lead fouling, but it also conditions the metal to repel future fouling.
That sounds like advertising BS, any truth to it?
You show show me your steel molecule, and I'll show you my Loch Ness monster.
I don't have time to give a chemistry lesson today. Suffice it to say, the Hoppe's Elite functions as advertised.[/quote]
nigel wrote:Molecules and pores, not a crystalline structure with grain boundaries?
Yikes... Quoting hell! Need to unravel this... There!

Okay, back from the lawyer, chemistry lesson follows:

It is not the language that I would use, but it is not wrong.

Consider that the product is a fairly complex solution of salts that is designed to dissolve (and neutralize the resulting compounds!) a wide range of chemical species that would not be part of any common steel.

Further, it must not leave any residue that can contribute to future reactions.

Further, it must not react to any appreciable degree with the disparate compounds (hence molecules) that make up the "steel" (a heterogeneous brickle with typically no fewer than five phases present).

Ideally, it should provide some passivation effect AND leave a residual barrier over the cleaned surface - A surface that is, at a very small level, cratered like the moon after being scrubbed with incandescent hot particles and gases... A layer many molecules thick is in left as porous as a sponge by the action of the propellant gases and entrained particles ;)

So, the technical writer, with a minimal science education consisting perhaps of no more than a year each of chemistry, physics, and biology would write about molecules and pores, justified by his lack of specialized metallurgical knowledge.[/quote]

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#17 Post by pokute » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:10 pm

Yep. The trip from Hoppe's #9 to modern gun cleaning chemistry was a long one. Along the way, there were occasional oopsies that took off bluing instantly.

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#18 Post by CDFingers » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:09 pm

I went and checked out that Hornady gun cleaning solution for the ultrasonic. Turns out you have to mix it with distilled water. Hmm. I guess then I would have to douse the gun with WD-40, as "WD" stands for water displacement.

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#19 Post by Mason » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:10 am

No. Just use the ultra sonic as hot as it will go. Take the parts out with pliers or tongs and give them a good shake. Or, pull the basket, if yours has one and shake. The water evaporates off hot metal very quickly.

Edit. Sorry, I missed the whole gun thing. Still do it very hot, then hit with compressed air.
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#20 Post by CDFingers » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:41 am

Mason wrote:No. Just use the ultra sonic as hot as it will go. Take the parts out with pliers or tongs and give them a good shake. Or, pull the basket, if yours has one and shake. The water evaporates off hot metal very quickly.

Edit. Sorry, I missed the whole gun thing. Still do it very hot, then hit with compressed air.
OK.

The MKII is blued steel. I would not hesitate with my stainless guns. I'll put on the heat and do it.

I really got this thing for my milsurp bolts, but I'd take them apart, so it'd be easy to get them dry.

After I do it, I'll make a how-to post so others won't have to worry--or maybe they will, depending. :laugh:

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#21 Post by pokute » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:33 pm

Mason wrote:No. Just use the ultra sonic as hot as it will go. Take the parts out with pliers or tongs and give them a good shake. Or, pull the basket, if yours has one and shake. The water evaporates off hot metal very quickly.

Edit. Sorry, I missed the whole gun thing. Still do it very hot, then hit with compressed air.
I hope that your postscript doesn't mean that you are backing away from the critical word in your original paragraph: PARTS. No amount of heat and compressed air will get water out of an assembled gun that has been in water.

Putting a gun in a bucket of kerosene for a week is a safe alternative. And it works. We used to use this on CAMERAS, followed by a dunking and sloshing in xylenes.

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#22 Post by pokute » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:43 pm

By the way, if you drop your cellphone in the toilet, get it into a plastic bag with a pint of 97% isopropanol (rubbing alcohol - but NOT the 70% rubbish) QUICKLY, and leave it there for a week. Shake it regularly. Then leave it someplace warm to dry for a week. If you're lucky, the phone will be good as new, assuming there was no pee-pee in the potty at the time.

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#23 Post by Wino » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:28 pm

Simple Green will do the trick - use full strength or dilute with distilled water - dry off with compressed air (I use a small blower/vacuum used for cleaning computer tower interiors). Follow up with coating of CRC 3-36 rather than WD40 for water displacement.

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#24 Post by CDFingers » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:01 am

I haven't done it yet. I'm considering using Hoppes and having a thick, wet blanket handy.

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#25 Post by Bang » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:00 am

CDFingers wrote:I haven't done it yet. I'm considering using Hoppes and having a thick, wet blanket handy.

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