look! that nasty grass-eating giraffe killed that poor helpless blonde girl!
Re: In defense of “trophy hunting”
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look! that nasty grass-eating giraffe killed that poor helpless blonde girl!
... and you get organic, free-range, grass-fed meat with no antibiotics etc. when you hunt instead of something that was raised in miserable conditions and scared shitless, literally, when it was finally slaughtered.Marlene wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:33 pm I’d argue that it’s possible to reduce the violence inflicted unnecessarily in the world by hunting for meat rather than buying it at the supermarket.
Animals are still being killed or slaughtered rather, for your meat at the market. It's just a domesticated animal friendly critter rather than a wild and free one. Whats the fun of shooting a steer in a pen?Marlene wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:33 pm I’d argue that it’s possible to reduce the violence inflicted unnecessarily in the world by hunting for meat rather than buying it at the supermarket.
Cats also kill for fun, not always to eat.danhue wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:25 am My problem with trophy hunting is philosophical, in that it is a perversion of the natural predator/prey relationship. Predation should help natural selection by going after the weak, but most trophy hunters seem to go after the stronger, faster, more beautiful preys, and I don't think that's right.
Sail a boat for transportation only, but not for the fun of sailing. See how that works?
Nice! I've done a bunch of sailing around the Bahamas on my buddy's Catalina. Sailing is a uniquely satisfying activity for me, almost as fun as surfing and shooting things.BungalowBill wrote:Sail a boat for transportation only, but not for the fun of sailing. See how that works?
BTW I sail a Freedom 21 cat-rigged boat. For fun, not transportation.
You're completely missing the fact that sailing harms nothing, on a macro scale. But obviously since you kill for fun, that wouldn't bother you anyway. Apples and oranges, dood.BungalowBill wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:43 pmSail a boat for transportation only, but not for the fun of sailing. See how that works?
BTW I sail a Freedom 21 cat-rigged boat. For fun, not transportation.
Trophy hunting harms nothing on a macro scale. Probably helps overall although I am skeptical of those 100k hunting licenses always being used properly in countries with some sketchy politics. The whole point of it though is selectivity and precision. It's a micro-interaction with high failure rates compared to meat hunting which itself has high failure rates. This debate mirrors exactly the debate over firearms.SailDesign wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:11 pmYou're completely missing the fact that sailing harms nothing, on a macro scale. But obviously since you kill for fun, that wouldn't bother you anyway. Apples and oranges, dood.BungalowBill wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:43 pmSail a boat for transportation only, but not for the fun of sailing. See how that works?
BTW I sail a Freedom 21 cat-rigged boat. For fun, not transportation.
Emphasis added....CHWolff wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:02 amTrophy hunting harms nothing on a macro scale. Probably helps overall although I am skeptical of those 100k hunting licenses always being used properly in countries with some sketchy politics. The whole point of it though is selectivity and precision. It's a micro-interaction with high failure rates compared to meat hunting which itself has high failure rates. This debate mirrors exactly the debate over firearms.SailDesign wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:11 pmYou're completely missing the fact that sailing harms nothing, on a macro scale. But obviously since you kill for fun, that wouldn't bother you anyway. Apples and oranges, dood.BungalowBill wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:43 pmSail a boat for transportation only, but not for the fun of sailing. See how that works?
BTW I sail a Freedom 21 cat-rigged boat. For fun, not transportation.
fuck it though. That's the nature of the beast. Shout out to the OP for starting this thread. I've learned something from the responses both for and against so that's made it worthwhile in my book.
Srsly?eelj wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:58 am Everytime someone wrecks their sailboat in waters that make it impossible to salvage it introduces an enormous amount of lead to the marine ecosystem. Fortunately sailing and trophy hunting is mostly the hobbies of the very affluent.
Actually, some trophy hunting in the Western States is rather middle class. You can get a big horn package for about $3,000. Not my thing, but they are there.eelj said:
Fortunately sailing and trophy hunting is mostly the hobbies of the very affluent.
I have lived both along side of and very close to Lake Superior my whole life. My experience with sail boats comes from both observing them and friends that own them. It's an expensive hobby and most of them contain anywhere from 1000-4000 lbs of lead in the keel. I don't have a problem with people taking on either hobby which are expensive enough that other pursuits could suffer, like family vacations, thats their business. I have a problem with a few non hunting trolls interfering with a thread that people who hunt could use to discuss the merits of just one aspect of their hobby.max129 wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:13 pmActually, some trophy hunting in the Western States is rather middle class. You can get a big horn package for about $3,000. Not my thing, but they are there.eelj said:
Fortunately sailing and trophy hunting is mostly the hobbies of the very affluent.
You can buy a used Hobie 16 for less than $10,000 and small boat sailing is a "thing" all along the East Coast for regular folk.
Sure, owning a true Yacht is only for the affluent, and going on an African Safari is also out of reach for normal people, but both trophy hunting and sailing are very popular with everyone from the lower middle class upward.
Hmmm... Well, here's a bunch of sailors starting a race - not an ounce of lead in any of those boats, and each one costs in the region of $6,400. Not that much of an "expensive hobby" compared to guns. Those particular boats are strict one-design so you cannot spend $$$ to upgrade them better. Keeps the playing fields even. They don't kill anything in use.eelj wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:33 pmI have lived both along side of and very close to Lake Superior my whole life. My experience with sail boats comes from both observing them and friends that own them. It's an expensive hobby and most of them contain anywhere from 1000-4000 lbs of lead in the keel. I don't have a problem with people taking on either hobby which are expensive enough that other pursuits could suffer, like family vacations, thats their business. I have a problem with a few non hunting trolls interfering with a thread that people who hunt could use to discuss the merits of just one aspect of their hobby.max129 wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:13 pmActually, some trophy hunting in the Western States is rather middle class. You can get a big horn package for about $3,000. Not my thing, but they are there.eelj said:
Fortunately sailing and trophy hunting is mostly the hobbies of the very affluent.
You can buy a used Hobie 16 for less than $10,000 and small boat sailing is a "thing" all along the East Coast for regular folk.
Sure, owning a true Yacht is only for the affluent, and going on an African Safari is also out of reach for normal people, but both trophy hunting and sailing are very popular with everyone from the lower middle class upward.
You're right - eating meat is not a necessity.3. Do you eat meat? I do. You don't need to. It's convenient. It's delicious. It's a sign of wealth. It is, however, not necessary. You are killing for the pleasure of eating, not for necessity.
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