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CDFingers wrote:
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The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
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Can we substitute bourbon for brandy? I don't really like brandy, not even in eggnog. I don't like eggnog either.

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CDFingers wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:28 pm
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 pm
The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
A bag of bullets, beans, bandages, and brandy. I think old farts would shelter in place.

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too tired to run, plus i know the ground. i have some social network, and some extra guns for those who thought they wouldn't need one. :sorry: not cheerful today.

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featureless said:

Collapse is already here and has been for some time.
I would tend to agree we are in a period of both Western decline and instability.

Total breakdown is a funny thing. It took roughly 2 centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart, with the sack of Rome in 410 AD being a big transition. But normal life carried on for a least 300 years. It wasn't until the followers of Mohamed moved across the Mediterranean Sea that the people of Southern Europe had a huge change in situation. Before then, it was just a gradual reduction in trade, craftsmanship, learning and all things related to civilization.

England is a great modern example. In 1900, they controlled much of the globe. Around the time of the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, England was was losing its grip. They were able to show a really brave front in WWI. By WWII, they moved into a serious underdog role. By the 1950s, they were rationing food, gas, and a large number of other essentials. Without the impact of WWII, England could have had a more graceful decline; with the impact of WWII, they had a rapid and serious decline.

For a very modern example of decline, look at Italy. They cannot leave the Euro (which would allow them to deflate their currency), but they can barely hang on in the Euro. Their economy is probably in negative growth. Italy is in a real long term decline. And there are many visible signs (garbage rotting on the streets of Rome, potholes on some of the most famous roads in the world, massive unemployment.) But you can safely travel to Italy and have a great time.

[I was interrupted while writing this - I see now several others have made similar comments.]
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lurker wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:31 pm
CDFingers wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:28 pm
featureless wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 pm
The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
A bag of bullets, beans, bandages, and brandy. I think old farts would shelter in place.

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too tired to run, plus i know the ground. i have some social network, and some extra guns for those who thought they wouldn't need one. :sorry: not cheerful today.
In all honesty, shelter in place is usually the best approach. Extra guns? Check.

My goal is to have a homestead set up with renewable energy, reliable water supply and sustainable family farming (the variable I know the least about, even without climate change) before I die. Not for me, I'll be dead. Rather for my daughter, nieces and nephews. Land is a precious thing here in California. Not sure how I'll swing it. I remember my grandpa talking about the Great Depression living on his parent's orange farm. He said they were dirt, dirt poor but always well fed.

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Historical collapse are informative but leave out three key components: 1) anthropogenic climate change at current scale; 2) population of 7.9 billiion vs 2.3 billion in WWII or 300-500 million during Roman times; and, 3) energy consumption--we are now almost entirely energy dependent for our agricultural production to support that 7.9 billion.

The DOD calls climate change (yes, they believe in it despite/to spite the commander in chief) a "threat multiplier." Past climate change events prior to peaks in CO2 emissions were met with failed civilizations, predating civilizations, reductions in population. Based on 2 and 3 above, I'm in the fast crasher camp this time around (personally defined as the next 20 or so years).

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featureless said:

Historical collapse are informative but leave out three key components: 1) anthropogenic climate change at current scale; 2) population of 7.9 billion vs 2.3 billion in WWII or 300-500 million during Roman times; and, 3) energy consumption--we are now almost entirely energy dependent for our agricultural production to support that 7.9 billion.
You will not get a counter argument from me. I personally believe the swing event is an actual attack (as in an attacking army).

In the absence of such an event, gradualism is likely. In the face of an attack (and look at England, the other side does not need to win) the pace could be vigorous.

The many scenarios regarding an EMP are not science fiction. There is no stockpile of replacement transformers in the electrical grid.
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You will not get a counter argument from me.
Damn it. This is one thing I always hope to be shown to be completely wrong about.

The kick off I see is a two-year extreme weather disruption of agriculture in US, Canada, Russia and/or China by flood, drought or heat extremes (speaking of which, I completely neglected draw down of aquifers and topsoil loss in me earlier post--wouldn't want to leave those out). A billion or more starving people puts war into the certainty category.

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I should also say, sorry for the doomerism. I try not to dwell here often, but sometimes need to get it off my chest and reexamine where we are along the continuum. Apologies to the audience.

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CDFingers wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:28 pm
featureless wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 pm
The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
A bag of bullets, beans, bandages, and brandy. I think old farts would shelter in place.

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I agree. The collapse is here. Shelter in place. Keep your loved ones near.
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The kick off I see is a two-year extreme weather disruption of agriculture ...
We just went to the "Lost City" Museum in Overton Nevada. The story there was the same as Chaco Canyon. The local native population was doing great until roughly 750 years ago. Then a massive drought hit the greater Southwest and the people died off and migrated. This extended across all of New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona (and probably a lot farther, not sure.)
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Here's a light hearted article that gets at this. When we consider this, that or the other crisis, it is alarming. When we try to tie all of those crises together, we get a "holy shit" moment. I'll note that the linked article misses many other "holy shit" events that should enter into consideration, including bee die off and its impact to the natural world and human agriculture, bat die off in North America (it's not just happening in Australia), salmon collapse, fisheries collapse, expansion of wild fires, expansion of drought/flood cycles, coral bleaching, collapse of the Arctic sea ice, pending collapse of the Antarctic, disruptions of the jet stream, and on and on and on.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114 ... ink_114741

The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
Wow that was depressing, and yet completely believable.

Of course, I've long held out no hope for the future. That article just makes me think the future is here already.
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Eris wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:57 pm
featureless wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 pm
Here's a light hearted article that gets at this. When we consider this, that or the other crisis, it is alarming. When we try to tie all of those crises together, we get a "holy shit" moment. I'll note that the linked article misses many other "holy shit" events that should enter into consideration, including bee die off and its impact to the natural world and human agriculture, bat die off in North America (it's not just happening in Australia), salmon collapse, fisheries collapse, expansion of wild fires, expansion of drought/flood cycles, coral bleaching, collapse of the Arctic sea ice, pending collapse of the Antarctic, disruptions of the jet stream, and on and on and on.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114 ... ink_114741

The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
Wow that was depressing, and yet completely believable.

Of course, I've long held out no hope for the future. That article just makes me think the future is here already.
It isn't a big surprise, though. At what point was this not inevitable? If we act like locusts, we inherit the world we destroyed.
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i'm hoping it doesn't come to global war (nuclear or other) or pandemic or genocide, but franklyi think what the world needs is a good thinning-out of the humans. sadly, as the demographic shift shows us, the dumber among us are likely to reproduce faster, so on average the intelligence of humans will decrease. so there's not much hope for improvement.

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K9s wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:20 pm
Eris wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:57 pm
featureless wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 pm
Here's a light hearted article that gets at this. When we consider this, that or the other crisis, it is alarming. When we try to tie all of those crises together, we get a "holy shit" moment. I'll note that the linked article misses many other "holy shit" events that should enter into consideration, including bee die off and its impact to the natural world and human agriculture, bat die off in North America (it's not just happening in Australia), salmon collapse, fisheries collapse, expansion of wild fires, expansion of drought/flood cycles, coral bleaching, collapse of the Arctic sea ice, pending collapse of the Antarctic, disruptions of the jet stream, and on and on and on.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114 ... ink_114741

The title is apt. Collapse is already here and has been for some time. Not to be all doomery but, discuss. :fishing:
Wow that was depressing, and yet completely believable.

Of course, I've long held out no hope for the future. That article just makes me think the future is here already.
It isn't a big surprise, though. At what point was this not inevitable? If we act like locusts, we inherit the world we destroyed.
Yup. The Lorax was not fiction.

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Thanks, Marlene, for the link!
K9s wrote:
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Wait... what?! I'm going to have to find that thread and read it. :-)
Here ya go. It was a long time ago and I had a different user name.
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From my experience (living in the home of The Walking Dead), the typical right-wing fantasy is that "zombies" are a stand-in for the "human wave" of urban liberals looking to loot and steal food. They believe they will be the "unprepared" and poorly armed (or unarmed) city dwellers (often poor minorities). They are the "other". They are "them" and not "us". They are dehumanized like refugees at the border. They are just targets, not men, women, and children. Like the refugees, they are coming to kill you.

It is all the same theme. Be afraid. They are coming for you. They are Democrats and Socialists (basically just Communists). They are brown, black, or liberal whites. They don't believe in your God or your way of life. When they say "zombies", everyone knows who they really mean.
:o Whaaaaa? lol I hadn't heard that 'zombie human wave of urban liberals' theory. haha. Crazy!
Guess they'll be a little surprised if they came to loot my house. :roflmao:
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AmmoAngel wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:39 pm
:o Whaaaaa? lol I hadn't heard that 'zombie human wave of urban liberals' theory. haha. Crazy!
Guess they'll be a little surprised if they came to loot my house. :roflmao:
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Our so called civilization is a fragile thing. We’re expecting a snowstorm in Portland and all the stores were packed with last minute stocker-uppers. Some people admit to having basically no food in the house because they eat out all the time. The entire city is going to basically shut down. If as minor a thing as a snowstorm can cause such problems, then imagine...
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HuckleberryFun wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
Our so called civilization is a fragile thing. We’re expecting a snowstorm in Portland and all the stores were packed with last minute stocker-uppers. Some people admit to having basically no food in the house because they eat out all the time. The entire city is going to basically shut down. If as minor a thing as a snowstorm can cause such problems, then imagine...
Before any emergency is even on the horizon, make sure you have SOME food and water. Don't let you gas tank go below 1/4. That will take you a long way ahead of the game.

Be prepared to help your neighbors, too.
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K9s wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:45 pm
HuckleberryFun wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
Our so called civilization is a fragile thing. We’re expecting a snowstorm in Portland and all the stores were packed with last minute stocker-uppers. Some people admit to having basically no food in the house because they eat out all the time. The entire city is going to basically shut down. If as minor a thing as a snowstorm can cause such problems, then imagine...
Before any emergency is even on the horizon, make sure you have SOME food and water. Don't let you gas tank go below 1/4. That will take you a long way ahead of the game.

Be prepared to help your neighbors, too.
That’s why I have extra. All I did today was fill up the one empty gas can for the generator and top up the car.
Otherwise everything was already good to go. I may be deployed by NET/CERT. Somebody has to be the adult ;)
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HuckleberryFun wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:50 pm
K9s wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:45 pm
HuckleberryFun wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:35 pm
Our so called civilization is a fragile thing. We’re expecting a snowstorm in Portland and all the stores were packed with last minute stocker-uppers. Some people admit to having basically no food in the house because they eat out all the time. The entire city is going to basically shut down. If as minor a thing as a snowstorm can cause such problems, then imagine...
Before any emergency is even on the horizon, make sure you have SOME food and water. Don't let you gas tank go below 1/4. That will take you a long way ahead of the game.

Be prepared to help your neighbors, too.
That’s why I have extra. All I did today was fill up the one empty gas can for the generator and top up the car.
Otherwise everything was already good to go. I may be deployed by NET/CERT. Somebody has to be the adult ;)
Don't forget the Sta-bil or similar, especially the new stuff that neutralizes the ethanol as well so it doesn't eat the fuel lines.
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I used to use Sta-bil. Now I just rotate cans: oldest gets burned in the generator or dumped in the car’s tank.
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HuckleberryFun wrote:
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I used to use Sta-bil. Now I just rotate cans: oldest gets burned in the generator or dumped in the car’s tank.
With Sta-bil, gas is OK for 2 years or even more. Without it? 3-4 months.
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Propane lasts for years. That's why I have a propane generator rather than gas

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Propane lasts for years. That's why I have a propane generator rather than gas

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You can convert most gens to run on either. I have a Yamaha I installed a MotorSnorkel kit on so it can run off either. Storage and delivery of LP can have a different constellation of problems.
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Meh. I'm more worried about a couple of weeks than anything, and a 15 lb bottle in the shed lasts a week or so by itself for the fridge and freezer.

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