Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

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Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#1 Post by CDFingers » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:37 pm

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So, which makes the best choice against zombies astride rabid saber toothed wildebeests or against the other predators during the red state revolt? Is it the .45acp, heavy, slow, depositing all its energy in the target, or the .357 mag, able to penetrate clothing easily while we risk over penetration, wasting that expensive energy?

I know this has never been discussed, as we can't find .45 vs .357 with our primitive search functions. Inquiring minds and all.

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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#2 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:45 pm

I love both, but I would pick 45 ACP for this specific (and so realistic!) scenario. Capacity (mine has 13 rd mags). And easy, fast reloads.

In such a scenario, I would prefer 9mm because of magazine capacity.
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#3 Post by featureless » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:02 pm

Zombies? 22 is the answer you seek. Otherwise agree with a bottom feeder over wheel.

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#4 Post by senorgrand » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:11 pm

Yeah...22 mag or 9mm for head shots.

357 is what I use. Wwekd?*

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#5 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:28 pm

Good "new" caliber war thread, BTW. In a zombie apocalypse, use what you have.

No one brought up 22 TCM? Good call on the 22mag, though.
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#6 Post by senorgrand » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:39 pm

Suppressed kel tec 22 mag suppressed carbine.

To the op...45 inside, 357 outside
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#7 Post by bajajoaquin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:55 pm

K9s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:28 pm ..... In a zombie apocalypse, use what you have.
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Wow. The Zombie Apocalypse retort to my “no new calibers” rant. Instead it should be “don’t buy two guns of the same caliber: you never know what you’ll scrounge”

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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#8 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:15 pm

bajajoaquin wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:55 pm
K9s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:28 pm ..... In a zombie apocalypse, use what you have.
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Wow. The Zombie Apocalypse retort to my “no new calibers” rant. Instead it should be “don’t buy two guns of the same caliber: you never know what you’ll scrounge”
Or... buy it cheap and stack it deep and stay home. :)

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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#9 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:18 pm

For a zombie apocalypse, I'd prefer a rechargeable plasma phase 1.22 gigawatt rifle capable of continuous fire .
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#10 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:21 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:18 pm For a zombie apocalypse, I'd prefer a rechargeable plasma phase 1.22 gigawatt rifle capable of continuous fire .
With matching sidearm and a particle beam sabre - just in case.
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#11 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:27 pm

K9s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:21 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:18 pm For a zombie apocalypse, I'd prefer a rechargeable plasma phase 1.22 gigawatt rifle capable of continuous fire .
With matching sidearm and a particle beam sabre - just in case.
And, for backup, an ultra-hypersonic hand-carried rail gun capable of penetrating 3' of hardened steel.
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#12 Post by K9s » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:35 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:27 pm
K9s wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:21 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:18 pm For a zombie apocalypse, I'd prefer a rechargeable plasma phase 1.22 gigawatt rifle capable of continuous fire .
With matching sidearm and a particle beam sabre - just in case.
And, for backup, an ultra-hypersonic hand-carried rail gun capable of penetrating 3' of hardened steel.
If those were cheaper, I would get one. :roflmao:
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#13 Post by CDFingers » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:42 am

senorgrand wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:11 pm Yeah...22 mag or 9mm for head shots.

357 is what I use. Wwekd?*

* what would Elmer Keith do?
He would invent a new caliber using a .50BMG necked down to .17 using CO2 from the air and stardust as propellant. I mean, this is zombies, right? Astride their rabid saber toothed wildebeests, swinging rusty scimitars trailing bits of the last victim, eh. Nothing less than a 15.5 grain titanium spire point raised to .8 light speed. And a recoil pad for the shooter.

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#14 Post by lurker » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:59 am

so many questions. fast or slow zombies?

i would expect that the sound of gunfire will bring zombies to my doorstep from miles around, so i'd be looking at ways to muffle the report. even so, i think i'd just barricade myself in my home and plink them from the porch roof with whatever i have, starting at long range with the rifles: 30-06, 30-40 krag, 5.56, 45-70, 7.62nato, on to 45acp, .380, being careful to save the last couple of rounds for myself. i assume .22 would be useless against zombies, but i'd certainly try it.

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#15 Post by bajajoaquin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:36 am

Are we going to make our way back to the 9mm Gatling gun?

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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#16 Post by AndyH » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:50 pm

Run what you brung. Just make sure you have cats for back-up. And a boom box.


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#17 Post by tonguengroover » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:59 pm

LOL Andy
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#18 Post by K9s » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:42 pm

bajajoaquin wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:36 am Are we going to make our way back to the 9mm Gatling gun?
I am thinking a 357 mag Gatling gun (given the thread topic) would be fine with 357 carbine and revolver backup. Good idea on the Gatling gun. :roflmao:

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#19 Post by DufusMcGhee » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:09 am

lurker wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:59 am i assume .22 would be useless against zombies, but i'd certainly try it.
Since a screwdriver or knife thru the eye is effective, a properly-placed .22 should do just fine. (Head-shots, lurker. Head-shots.)

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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#20 Post by Stiff » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:22 am

Every documentary that I watched said you need headshots to kill zombies. This means a round small enough to be controllable for easy headshots, but large enough to reliably penetrate the skull 100% of the time from any angle. My choice would be the lowly 9mm, preferrably in a carbine. The military, the FBI, and many police departments use it, so finding ammo would be easier.
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#21 Post by cooper » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:36 am

Wait, wasn't this question already answered.
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Re: Zombie round: .45acp vs .357mag

#22 Post by wings » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:10 pm

Wait, are we shooting the saber-toothed wildebeests first? I'm presuming that they're dangerous too. This also speaks to the fast vs. slow zombies question, as saber-toothed wildebeest have to be faster than even your worst-case-scenario runners. In this case, .357 magnum is probably a better choice than .45 ACP. Flatter trajectory, better range - important in this case.

I'm less worried about the wildebeest indoors, because you can only cram them through the stairs one at a time, and corpses pile up. As soon as one of the rusty scimitars comes available, grab that for backup. In CQB, blades > guns, but even then a scimitar needs a lot of free space to swing for proper effect. Zombie lore suggests that decapitations > deep thrusting wounds, but any CNS hit should count.

Now, if we're allowed to deviate from the OP calibers, I cannot believe that you left out the venerable .45 Colt, CD. Ideal for the wildebeest, not bad for controlled headshots either. Unfortunately, reloading single action under zombie siege isn't ideal. Your original calibers allow moon clips in double action revolvers, so there's that. But high capacity semiauto sure has advantages.

I suspect this might be the best application for the 5.7x28, all things considered. While the noise may attract zombies, a high-velocity, small caliber round might be ideal for headshots, and screw the penetration. Honestly, that might be the best application for it in any defensive situation.

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#23 Post by CDFingers » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:15 pm

Y'all thought this was just your normal zombie round thread. Oh, ye of little faith. Truth be told, technically this thread is a zombie thread.

No one has yet discovered the medieval crossbow that fires wooden bolts.

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#24 Post by wings » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:01 pm

That works better on vampires. But center-of-mass shots work nicely.

Silver tips are ideal.

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#25 Post by DufusMcGhee » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:46 pm

wings wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:01 pm That works better on vampires. But center-of-mass shots work nicely.

Silver tips are ideal.
If we're still talking zombies, everything I've ever seen or read says that the only injury that'll stop them is the destruction (or removal) of the brain. The rest of the body is already dead, after all. The kinetic energy of center-of-mass shots into said dead body just slows them down a bit.

Silver bullets will drop werewolves, and a wooden stake (or wooden arrow shaft) into the heart does for vampires.

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