Paul Allen co-opts "root causes" while pushing additional restrictions for Washington

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Paul Allen co-opts "root causes" while pushing additional restrictions for Washington

#1 Post by DispositionMatrix » Tue May 22, 2018 3:02 pm

https://twitter.com/PaulGAllen/status/9 ... 6595435520

https://gunresponsibility.org/reduce-as ... nitiative/
The proposed initiative will address many of the root causes of recent tragedies by raising the age to purchase semi-automatic rifles to 21; creating an enhanced background check system similar to what is required for handguns; requiring completion of a firearm safety training course; and creating standards for secure storage to prevent guns from falling into dangerous hands.
Looks as if gun prohibitionists have gotten wind of the term root cause mitigation and are taking action to ruin it for the sake of the non-debate.

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#2 Post by sikacz » Tue May 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Sounds like a write up on what is or is not a root cause is in order.....
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#3 Post by inomaha » Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Why do Billionares like Bezos, Allen, Bloomberg, etc. who buy politicians and political parties want gun restrictions? And why do certain groups with historical distrust of the government and oligarchs willingly fall in line with them on this issue. There must be a root cause in there somewhere.
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#4 Post by sikacz » Tue May 22, 2018 4:02 pm

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Why do Billionares like Bezos, Allen, Bloomberg, etc. who buy politicians and political parties want gun restrictions? And why do certain groups with historical distrust of the government and oligarchs willingly fall in line with them on this issue. There must be a root cause in there somewhere.
Oligarchs want to remain oligarchs and billionaires are oligarchs. As for the people who go along, blindness.
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Re: Paul Allen co-opts "root causes" while pushing additional restrictions for Washington

#5 Post by awshoot » Wed May 23, 2018 12:13 am

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Why do Billionares like Bezos, Allen, Bloomberg, etc. who buy politicians and political parties want gun restrictions? And why do certain groups with historical distrust of the government and oligarchs willingly fall in line with them on this issue. There must be a root cause in there somewhere.
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#6 Post by harriss » Wed May 23, 2018 12:49 pm

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Looks as if gun prohibitionists have gotten wind of the term root cause mitigation and are taking action to ruin it for the sake of the non-debate.
I hate to say this but in this case the term "both sides" is very appropriate in that extremists on both sides always try to stifle debate when they're pushing a cause they know they can't win or at least persuade someone to see and listen to the other side.
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#7 Post by JColville » Wed May 23, 2018 5:43 pm

Paul should consider focusing in on his rock & roll collection, his deep sea explorations, and working on why the Portland Trailblazers continue to get waxed in the first round of playoffs.
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#8 Post by DispositionMatrix » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:18 pm

The Washington Supreme Court has ruled I-1639 can be on the ballot.
Court overturns I-1639 decision, allows gun measure on ballot
“This isn’t the first time the gun lobby has tried to stop Washington voters from enacting safer gun laws,” said Alliance for Gun Responsibility CEO Renee Hopkins. “When the people of this state have tried to put responsible laws into place, the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation have always stood in the way. It’s disappointing when they do so, but the Alliance has prevailed each time the gun lobbyists and their allies irresponsibly attempt to take power away from Washingtonians. The decision today is just another example of Washingtonians defeating the gun lobby’s callous disregard for our lives and our futures.”

I-1639 received more than the 260,000 signatures to be placed on the November ballot. The initiative aims to establish new firearm regulations in Washington state, including a safe storage rule similar to Seattle’s recently passed law. It also raises the age to purchase semi-automatic assault weapons to 21 (from the current age of 18). And it will create enhanced background checks for those weapons.

“Today, the Washington State Supreme Court abrogated its duty to protect the state constitution and state election laws by allowing Initiative 1639 back on the November ballot,” said Alan Gottlieb, founder and Executive Vice President, Second Amendment Foundation, in a news release on Friday. “The court never addressed the merits of the complaints against I-1639, instead choosing to ignore the law.”
From what I have seen of the petition it was not in compliance with state law, but the court chose to ignore that.

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#9 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:27 am

I-1639 the most ambitious effort at gun regulation in Washington state’s history
If voters approve the measure, Washington’s firearms laws would be among the strictest in the country. The sprawling, 30-page initiative would beef up a broad range of gun regulations.

It would boost the legal age to buy a semi-automatic rifle to 21. Those who want such a weapon would have to pass an enhanced background check, take a firearms-training course, and wait 10 business days after purchase to take possession of the gun.

The initiative also requires owners to keep their guns secured at home, or they would face misdemeanor or felony charges, in some cases, if someone prohibited from possessing a weapon got access to it.

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#10 Post by Eris » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 am

This makes me sad. I'd like to retire to Washington state some day, but if I end up having to get rid of guns to do so I might have to look elsewhere.
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#11 Post by CDFingers » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:31 am

inomaha wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 pm
Why do Billionares like Bezos, Allen, Bloomberg, etc. who buy politicians and political parties want gun restrictions? And why do certain groups with historical distrust of the government and oligarchs willingly fall in line with them on this issue. There must be a root cause in there somewhere.
Excessively rich and powerful people do not want the unwashed having access to arms, for obvious reasons. Scum.

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#12 Post by DispositionMatrix » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:26 pm

Gottlieb says gun prohibitionists are stealing no-on-i1639 signs. Is this true?
DESPERATE ANTI-GUNNERS STEALING ‘NO ON I-1639’ SIGNS; CCRKBA WILL PROSECUTE

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#13 Post by JColville » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm

The only thing Paul Allen will be pushing now is daisies. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/tech/pau ... index.html
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#14 Post by harriss » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:12 pm

JColville wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm
The only thing Paul Allen will be pushing now is daisies. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/tech/pau ... index.html
Apparently he was unmarried and childless. Not that I care, as I am unmarried and childless but this becomes fodder for the hard right.


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#15 Post by DispositionMatrix » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:59 pm

Wash. gun safety initiative will 'impact other places' -- Giffords, Kelly
The report of gun safety initiative I-1639 passing this November will be heard far beyond Washington's borders and give rise to similar measures in others states, ex-Rep. Gabby Giffords and NASA astronaut Mark Kelly predicted on Thursday in Seattle.

"When I-1639 succeeds, I would not be surprised to see an initiative like this in another state," Kelly said. Later, in an interview, he suggested Nevada and Maine as next stops for firearms ballot measures.

U.S. Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., seconded the prediction, saying: "You will see this (I-1639) copied across the country if this passes."
They are probably correct that such prohibitions--no <21 purchases, no two-party private sales, no transfers without a 10-day wait for frightening rifles, no purchases without a safety course--will be foisted upon other states, and they're probably correct that the gun prohibition lobby will be starting with Nevada and Maine, which have been targets for previous measures.

Following those successes, the civilian disarmament lobby will be back for more. It's what they do.

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#16 Post by DispositionMatrix » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:06 am

Looks like I-1639 passed.

AWB and/or mag ban probably is next, or maybe they'll kill off what remains of NFA allowances as a feel-good measure.

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#17 Post by Buck13 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:22 pm

I never doubted it would pass. I *am* a bit shocked that it got the same margin of victory as the much more limited I-594. Apparently no one gives the issues any thought beyond "gunz R bad, mkay?"
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#18 Post by NoimpactNoidea » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:32 pm

DispositionMatrix wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:59 pm
Wash. gun safety initiative will 'impact other places' -- Giffords, Kelly
The report of gun safety initiative I-1639 passing this November will be heard far beyond Washington's borders and give rise to similar measures in others states, ex-Rep. Gabby Giffords and NASA astronaut Mark Kelly predicted on Thursday in Seattle.

"When I-1639 succeeds, I would not be surprised to see an initiative like this in another state," Kelly said. Later, in an interview, he suggested Nevada and Maine as next stops for firearms ballot measures.

U.S. Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., seconded the prediction, saying: "You will see this (I-1639) copied across the country if this passes."
They are probably correct that such prohibitions--no <21 purchases, no two-party private sales, no transfers without a 10-day wait for frightening rifles, no purchases without a safety course--will be foisted upon other states, and they're probably correct that the gun prohibition lobby will be starting with Nevada and Maine, which have been targets for previous measures.

Following those successes, the civilian disarmament lobby will be back for more. It's what they do.
Is SCOTUS Going to get any of this knocked down??

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#19 Post by NoimpactNoidea » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:35 pm

CDFingers wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:31 am
inomaha wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 pm
Why do Billionares like Bezos, Allen, Bloomberg, etc. who buy politicians and political parties want gun restrictions? And why do certain groups with historical distrust of the government and oligarchs willingly fall in line with them on this issue. There must be a root cause in there somewhere.
Excessively rich and powerful people do not want the unwashed having access to arms, for obvious reasons. Scum.

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And the bolded part might be the million dollar question. Are there now "good guy" billionaires and "good guy" corporations who only want the best for you? and they're throwing in serious money to "help" you?? Surely this is not at all for unselfish reasons... Spending big bucks to buy candidates that limit your individual rights. Nothing suspicious here.

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#20 Post by MaxwellG » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:59 pm

Sure - We're in the Reign of the Corporatists - they can throw millions at an issue, after all "they know what's best for us".
Always nice to know when in a Class War people like Bloomberg, Trump, HRC and Bezos have our best interest at heart.
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#21 Post by khlavkalash » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:00 am

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#22 Post by Buck13 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:07 pm

NoimpactNoidea wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:32 pm
Is SCOTUS Going to get any of this knocked down??
I'm no great student of the Supreme Court, but to the limited degree I've been paying attention, the current conservative Justices seem to have little enthusiasm for firearms or gun rights.
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#23 Post by 7N6Wolf » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:31 pm

Buck13 wrote:
NoimpactNoidea wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:32 pm
Is SCOTUS Going to get any of this knocked down??
I'm no great student of the Supreme Court, but to the limited degree I've been paying attention, the current conservative Justices seem to have little enthusiasm for firearms or gun rights.
That wouldn’t surprise me. After all, the “pro-gun” Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for two years, yet we never got any serious push for removing suppressors from NFA regulations. The same is true of national concealed carry reciprocity. The bourgeois oligarchs don’t want workers taking the Second Amendment too seriously. They may not be able to get everything, but they will end up making it as difficult as possible for workers to legally own guns. Washington state’s new restrictions will gradually spread from state ti state. Perhaps mag bans and “assault weapons” bans will follow. It’s analogous to conservatives being unable to overturn Roe v. Wade (they simply make it as difficult as possible for a woman to get an abortion while technically leaving the ruling intact).


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#24 Post by DispositionMatrix » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:08 pm

Police chief of Republic says he will not enforce I-1639
Loren Culp not only strongly disagrees with the legal concepts of I-1639, he also feels it is completely unconstitutional and has suggested that the community of Republic, which he wardens in north central Ferry County, become a sanctuary city for second amendment rights.

Washington voters passed I-1639 by a healthy margin of nearly 60 percent in last week’s general election. The new law raises the minimum age requirement for the purchase of certain types of firearms from 18 to 21 and also allows for criminal charges to be filed against those who provide access of a gun to individuals who are prohibited from possessing them.
“All of them,” said Culp. “I pretty much disagree with the whole thing and all it will do is restrict law-abiding citizens. It won’t stop criminals from committing crimes.”

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#25 Post by Eris » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:20 pm

DispositionMatrix wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:08 pm
Police chief of Republic says he will not enforce I-1639
Loren Culp not only strongly disagrees with the legal concepts of I-1639, he also feels it is completely unconstitutional and has suggested that the community of Republic, which he wardens in north central Ferry County, become a sanctuary city for second amendment rights.

Washington voters passed I-1639 by a healthy margin of nearly 60 percent in last week’s general election. The new law raises the minimum age requirement for the purchase of certain types of firearms from 18 to 21 and also allows for criminal charges to be filed against those who provide access of a gun to individuals who are prohibited from possessing them.
“All of them,” said Culp. “I pretty much disagree with the whole thing and all it will do is restrict law-abiding citizens. It won’t stop criminals from committing crimes.”
Interesting. I have to say that the "sanctuary city" movement has established the precedent for this kind of action, and I don't really disagree with it. When you restrict people's rights it's natural for the people to resist and refuse to comply.
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