Re: 2020 presidential candidate Bernie Sanders renews his commitment to banning "assault weapons"

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:17 am
DuneHopper wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:12 am Now he was not supporting any previous gun bans last run was he?
He toed The Party line on gun prohibition in 2016.
At the end, in the primary he was a bit vague. He kind of left a hint he might be reasonable. By the end yes, fully on board. Now he leaves no doubt.
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Sad, there won't be allot of options at the polls.
Seems like the last 20 years have been a hey lets find the worst candidates we can, that wont represent anything we stand for.
And will step on the Constitution. The whole thing makes ones head spin, as not much is making sense. Maybe thats the point?
The US Constitution and Bill of Rights, are our civil rights, for all people.

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I just don't fucking get it. Where is the crisis represented by assault rifles? Because the news shows it over and over and over when the rarity occurs of some sick fucker killing children? I get that is horrific and awful and we should work to reduce the probability. All a ban does in this situation is provide a false sense of security of "there, problem solved" and we doze until the next time.

If the dems were intent on handgun restrictions, I'd actually listen because there'd be some point to the conversation. Not because I believe it is an answer or will work, but because the numbers of handgun deaths (not suicide) do actually hit a tally that is concerning. But a ban won't impact the number much because it misses the target audience. Those in their late teens to early 20s growing up, largely fatherless, in a drug/turf war, will still have access to the illegal market the is the cause and solution of their life situation because the rest of us have largely failed them. Dems used to pretend to represent that group. Now, they'd rather plunge full steam ahead into restricting rights knowing full well it won't do shit to reduce gun homicide. They must know this, right? Or are they really that stupid?

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I got Bernie's campaign announcement email where he lists his platform. This is one small thing out of a very long list. While I'm sure he would support such legislation if it came up, I don't think this is his priority. He'll parrot the party line on it, but will let others take the lead on it. That said, don't expect him to push back against bans, either.
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Eris wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 pmWhile I'm sure he would support such legislation if it came up, I don't think this is his priority. He'll parrot the party line on it, but will let others take the lead on it. That said, don't expect him to push back against bans, either.
In other words, he would sign a bill banning <whatever> into law, which is exactly what a president does. That's more than enough for me to leave a candidate on the trash pile.

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:31 pm
Eris wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 pmWhile I'm sure he would support such legislation if it came up, I don't think this is his priority. He'll parrot the party line on it, but will let others take the lead on it. That said, don't expect him to push back against bans, either.
In other words, he would sign a bill banning <whatever> into law, which is exactly what a president does. That's more than enough for me to leave a candidate on the trash pile.
Pretty much. A right is a right and not willing to standup for all is not acceptable. As a candidate saying you support the whole bill of rights should not be a high bar.
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Well, was considering the "hollyweird march for bernie" tomorrow, but i think i'll process some brass instead. 😡 My knees & hip joints will thank me.

As far as being naively stupid about the facts, you're waaaay too kind. They don't care about facts. They arrogantly appoint themselves instant experts, despite a total lack of experience, training, or knowledge on the subject. They readily accept sh*t mikey bloomberg pulls out of his ass (eg. "40% of guns don't go through BGCs"), misrepresent the actual gun violence deaths, routinely including the 2/3 that are suicides in the figure. Check out Harley Rouda's take:
https://www.harleyforcongress.com/issues/guns

By the time you get through the first sentence, he has covered ALL of humanity, including gang bangers, but that's not the impression is it? & 90 x 365 = 32,850, the TOTAL including the 20k+ suicides. Not exactly an honest statement IMO. & further, they argue BGCs, wouldn't have prevented ANY of these high profile tragedies, BUT we have to do "SOMETHING!" No. "Something" is NOT a plan, & indicates you have neither studied nor do you understand the issue.
They ignore that 43 shall-issue states have resulted in >16.5 mil CCWs, & >2.5 mil DGUs/yr per CDC study.
Or, put another way, they're deceptive, lyin' sacks of sh*t bent on jamming THEIR concept of a safer world down everyone's throat, Constitutional rights be damned, which of course flies in the face of the core reason for the Constitution, the protection of the rights of a minority against a majority who would violate those rights.

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OK, so are we saying the GOP is better? A non-vote has the effect of a vote for the GOP. That matters if you don't live in a solid blue district.

I would trust my civil rights with Bernie or even Harley Rouda versus Brian Kemp or Donald Trump. It isn't even a close contest.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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Where did i suggest the GOP was better?
And you're suggesting i have an obligation to vote for someone who intends to destroy a Constitutional Right, because they're better than an actually russian asset? Your understanding of protecting & defending the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign & domestic is different than mine. Why would you "trust your civil rights" to anyone who has clearly stated they mean to negate & eliminate those rights?

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Wisdomseeker wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:18 pm Where did i suggest the GOP was better?
And you're suggesting i have an obligation to vote for someone who intends to destroy a Constitutional Right, because they're better than an actually russian asset? Your understanding of protecting & defending the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign & domestic is different than mine. Why would you "trust your civil rights" to anyone who has clearly stated they mean to negate & eliminate those rights?
You live in California. I wouldn't suggest you vote for anyone you don't like. Vote or don't vote. The current president and the GA GOP have "very clearly stated" that they mean to negate and eliminate my civil rights.

I was clearly writing about my vote in my district. Our far-right incumbent Rep won by 0.17% (400 votes). My vote matters in my district.
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One of the interesting things about Bernie Sanders that nobody talks about is his level of arrogance, which seems to know no limits, even for a politician.
I would like to see a number of the declared candidates fall away. Not sure Bernie is one, but Amy Klobuchar, and Kirsten Gillibrand is another. I don't see Pete Buttagieg or Mitch Landreau going anywhere either. The difference I see between Gillibrand and Booker is that Gillibrand has changed her politics with her blatant ambition, Booker hasn't, though his ambition is even more overt than hers. Gillibrand was a DINO and is now a "Progressive" who led the charge against Al Franken before we ever actually knew what was true, and what wasn't.

But I digress: I'm not all that convinced that Bernie would make a good President, even if I like many, even most of his ideas. I've yet to figure out which candidate I like best from this cast of thousands.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:07 pm I'm not all that convinced that Bernie would make a good President, even if I like many, even most of his ideas. I've yet to figure out which candidate I like best from this cast of thousands.
Same here. I always thought of Bernie as a good VP candidate - like Biden.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

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Wisdomseeker wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:51 pm I get that k9s. The only way putin's party can win is to cheat. I am suggesting you undervalue the total of ALL your rights cuz abrahms was waaaay antigun. AND the only right you have that can actually enforce your bill of rights is the Second. Everything else is whining while you're being prodded into the van with a bayonet.
People keep saying that but my own lyin' eyes tell me that all the other rights ARE under severe attack and have been since the phony Patriot Act was rolled out--already written by the Bush gang BEFORE 9/11!

Art I, Sec 9 Para 2: Habeas Corpus--been under attack since the Patriot Act.
Separation of Powers--the Shit-Stain attacks that every single day
1A)The shit-stain in the WH has attacked all 4 corners of the 1st Amendment: Religion, Free Speech, the Press, and protest marches.
3A)His "wall" attacks, indirectly, 3a, seeking to steal private land on the border.
4A)He's perfectly happy to violate the 4th (except when his buddies, Manafort, Cohen (ex-buddy), and Stone are searched--WITH A VALID WARRANT!)
5A)Do I need to explain the attacks on the 5th?
6A)He's attacking the 6th by witness tampering.
7A)He's LONG attacked the sanctity of the 7th.
8A) Of course, the 8th has been as much his "enemy" as the 6th.
9A)The 9th is a large part of the unwritten Right of Privacy, or the Right to be Left Alone.
10A)He and the GOP are attacking the States' Rights of the Blue states.
14A)The 14th Amendment and the right to citizenship and due process have been under attack by the GOP for years.
15A)The 15th, Voting Rights, is under attack every day!
17A)The 17th, (popular election of Senators) was attacked by Republicans until they realized that they CANNOT get to 67 seats by revoking it--too many state houses went back to Blue.
19A)The 19th, which SHOULD be augmented by an ERA, has been, clearly attacked down to the core of women's rights.
22A)Trump has even looked to have the 22nd repealed so he can be President-For-Life.
24A)The 24th (no Poll tax) has been as covertly violated with Voter ID laws by the GOP.
26)The 26th has been violated in every way possible by the GOP, keeping students from voting, discouraging young people from voting.

So, please tell me HOW the RKBA is "protecting" our rights. Clearly, by my observation, it's having ZERO braking effect! Should I believe the mantra, or my own lyin' eyes?

It's a sham, a fake, a pipe dream. I have guns because I anticipate gangs of thugs with Nazi and KKK insignia may soon march up my street, in my town, empowered, enabled, and encouraged by the shit-stain and his clique of racists and anti-Semites (Bannon, Sessions, Gorka, etc), looking to kill Jews, Muslims and People of Color. Nobody is using their RKBA to stop the onslaught on all our other rights.

As Chico Marx said to Margaret Dumont (in Duck Soup) : "Who you gonna believe: Me, or-a your own eyes?"
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:17 am I have guns because I anticipate gangs of thugs with Nazi and KKK insignia may soon march up my street, in my town, empowered, enabled, and encouraged by the shit-stain and his clique of racists and anti-Semites (Bannon, Sessions, Gorka, etc), looking to kill Jews, Muslims and People of Color. Nobody is using their RKBA to stop the onslaught on all our other rights.
Sounds like you understand exactly why your right to self defense should be unalienable. I can't disagree with your comments about erosion of other rights. But what happens if the Dems come to power for a spell, hack the second and those fears we share continue? There's every guarantee that resource limits will push us there no matter who is in charge.

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featureless wrote: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:37 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:17 am I have guns because I anticipate gangs of thugs with Nazi and KKK insignia may soon march up my street, in my town, empowered, enabled, and encouraged by the shit-stain and his clique of racists and anti-Semites (Bannon, Sessions, Gorka, etc), looking to kill Jews, Muslims and People of Color. Nobody is using their RKBA to stop the onslaught on all our other rights.
Sounds like you understand exactly why your right to self defense should be unalienable. I can't disagree with your comments about erosion of other rights. But what happens if the Dems come to power for a spell, hack the second and those fears we share continue? There's every guarantee that resource limits will push us there no matter who is in charge.
What I'm saying is that nobody is using their RKBA to STOP the erosion and destruction of all their other rights, almost totally (but not completely) by the ReThugs.
It's not working. It's not doing what 2A dreamers say it should do.
It's not protecting all our other rights.

And when we lose all the others, they will then come for the RKBA because then, like in all other dictatorships, only the ones in power and their minions get to be armed.
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