awshoot wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:11 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:57 am
Because, I believe that the Liberals are actually apt to protect most (but not all) of our rights, and I believe, no, I can DEMONSTRATE that the Republicans happily attack ALL our other rights and intend and have indicated, that at some point they will take guns away from People of Color, Liberals, Democrats, non-Christians, and anyone else they think could be a threat. ...
I'm not so sure any more. Once upon a time, liberals did seem to care about the bill of rights to a greater extent, but the last 10 years or so have been sort of weird. Examples:
#MeToo -- the notion that unproven accusation is sufficient evidence. No due process, no proportional sentencing, just a virtual death sentence with mere accusation. This is from the Democrat side.
Due process free execution. Obama expanded the GWB policy of due process free detention based on secret legal memos (AKA Gitmo), to include due process free execution based on secret legal memos. Democrats excoriated GWB for the horrific policy. Democrats cheer Obama as Jesus 2.0 even though he made that policy worse.
Deplatforming and cancel culture -- that's more a Democrat thing.
I just get more disillusioned by the day. I don't fit in with many conservatives (atheist, intentionally child free, like the environment and don't want to see it trashed, pro-gay rights, pro-abortion, medicare-for-all, I can comprehend the difference between political systems (like representative democracies and dictatorship) and economic systems (like socialism and capitalism), but man, the modern version of what gets published as the left is not my cup of tea. These people look as authoritarian and dickish as 80s evangelicals.
As for the NRA, I'm pissed because it is acting like a money sink, and rather than investing in pro-2A lawsuits, it is investing in Italian Suits for WLP. The antis must be close to orgasm as they understand that the NRA has been taking the money that was supposed to go to protect the 2A, and squandering it.
I understand. But the rights that are challenged by Trump or Republicans is unbelievable.
1A: Freedoms of Religion, speech, press, and congregating have all be VEHEMENTLY attacked by Trump.
2A: Trump has stated that he WILL use "Red Flag" laws against political enemies when he claimed Chris Cuomo (brother of the Governor of NY) is "crazy" and should be denied his RKBA.
3A: While there's been no direct attack on quartering troops in private homes, we know that Trump tried to use Eminent Domain to steal a woman's home for a parking lot for his (now defunct) casino.
4A: The right to privacy is totally violated by Trump, ICE, including deporting American Citizens without due process.
5A: Trump has openly said "if you plead The Fifth, you're guilty". He's all for locking people up without due process and is even deporting people in the Armed Services. He wants people being arrested to be beaten up by police because, if they are arrested, they MUST be guilty.
6A: Trump is trampling the right to a fair trial, trying to influence judges for his pals and against his enemies, and is preventing people from calling witnesses. He has demanded that the Central Park 5 STILL be executed despite being exonerated, and the actual criminal caught and convicted
7A: While not directly challenging 7A, Trump is and always has challenged the whole structure of Civil Law solely for his own benefit.
8A: Trump wants to put political enemies in jail. He wants people who oppose him to be convicted of treason and executed.
9A: The GOP has FURIOUSLY fought the right of privacy for women, while defending the "right" of corporations to be treated as persons. This totally contradicts Scalia's "Originalism" where the Founders intended that we HAVE rights that aren't yet spelled out.
10A: States' Rights don't exist for Blue States according to the GOP regarding Abortion, gun control, or environment, but only for Red states for voter suppression, incorporating religion into government, etc.
(11A: Nobody understands 11A except lawyers)
12A: Trump was against it before he was for it--because without it he wouldn't be President.
13A: Trump treats foreign workers as slaves. When Polish workers complained he wasn't paying them (he wasn't ) he threatened them with deportation.
14A: We KNOW that many Republicans, including Lindsey Graham, and, more lately, Trump, want to get rid of birthright citizenship.
15A: Right to vote--do I need to explain?
16A: Trump and most of the super-rich, going back to Reagan, believe rich people shouldn't have to pay taxes.
17A: A number of Republicans were looking to repeal thinking it would give them an impenetrable lock on the Senate.
(18A: Prohibition)
19A: Votes for Women--when you attacking voting right, particularly for Black Women, the backbone of the Democrats, you're attacking the 19th
(20A: Not challenged)
(21A: Repealed 18A)
22A: Presidential term limit. Both Bush '43 and Trump have attacked it. Bush said it would be fun to be dictator, Trump has openly said he wants to be President-For-Life
23A: Republicans HATE that DC has 3 EVs and would love to end that because they always vote D
24A: Poll Tax--There are so many ways in voter restrictions that Republicans are bringing back poll taxes The people of Florida voted overwhelmingly to give felons who completed their sentence back their right to vote--but the GOP leaders won't do it until they pay the costs of their prosecution--a GIANT poll tax!
25A: Trump went APOPLECTIC that there was even a JOKE to consider Section 4.
26A: Republicans have tried to keep university students from registering in the districts they go to school in.
27A: When have they BOTHERED to follow this one?
Then, of course, Trump has attacked both Article I (Congress) and Article III (Judiciary) as well as Habeas Corpus.
NOTHING any Democrat has ever done even comes close by 2 orders of magnitude to these attacks by Republicans and Trump. Nothing.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."