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I dunno, man. We may have to annex them as "Eastern California."

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I dunno, man. We may have to annex them as "Eastern California."

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On the docket for next week in Virginia:
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... c+S0310203
S.B. 13
Patron: Ebbin
Possessing or transporting a weapon within Capitol Square; penalty. Makes it a Class 1 misdemeanor for a person to possess or transport any (i) gun or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile or projectile of any kind; (ii) frame, receiver, muffler, silencer, missile, projectile, or ammunition designed for use with a dangerous weapon; or (iii) other dangerous weapon within Capitol Square, which includes the state-owned buildings that border its boundary streets. A dangerous weapon includes a bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, fighting chain, throwing star, and oriental dart or any weapon of like kind. The bill provides exceptions for law-enforcement officers, conservators of the peace, magistrates, court officers, judges, county or city treasurers, commissioners or deputy commissioners of the Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission, authorized security personnel, and active military personnel while in the conduct of such individuals' official duties. The bill requires that notice of the provisions prohibiting the possessing or transporting of such weapons be posted at each public entrance to Capitol Square. The bill provides that any weapon or item possessed or transported in violation of these provisions is subject to seizure by a law-enforcement officer and forfeiture to the Commonwealth.

S.B. 14
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Trigger activators; prohibition; penalty. Prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale or offer to sell, possession, transfer, or transportation of a trigger activator, defined in the bill as (i) a device designed to be attached to a semi-automatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device, including a bump-fire device or a binary trigger, but does not convert the semi-automatic firearm into a machine gun or (ii) a manual or power-driven trigger activating device designed so that when attached to a semi-automatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm, including a trigger crank, but does not convert the semiautomatic firearm into a machine gun. A violation is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

S.B. 15
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Carrying weapon into building owned or leased by the Commonwealth; penalty. Makes it a Class 1 misdemeanor for a person to transport any (i) gun or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile or projectile of any kind; (ii) frame, receiver, muffler, silencer, missile, projectile, or ammunition designed for use with a dangerous weapon; or (iii) other dangerous weapon into a building owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof, where employees of the Commonwealth or agency thereof are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties. The bill provides exceptions for law-enforcement officers, conservators of the peace, magistrates, court officers, judges, city or county treasurers, commissioners or deputy commissioners of the Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission, authorized security personnel, and active military personnel while in the conduct of such individuals' official duties. The bill requires that notice of the provisions prohibiting the carrying of such weapons be posted at each public entrance to all buildings owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof.
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It seems our new overlords in Virginia are having such fun with the second amendment they're going to have a go at the first amendment...

"A recent proposal, HB 1627, modifies a current law to make threats, insults, or the use of “lascivious” language a crime if used to harass the governor, lieutenant governor, employees or members of the state legislature, or judges. Not only would it be illegal to make these expressions in person, but lawmakers want to criminalize them even if they are made online."
I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
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Tedzilla wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:49 pm
It seems our new overlords in Virginia are having such fun with the second amendment they're going to have a go at the first amendment...

"A recent proposal, HB 1627, modifies a current law to make threats, insults, or the use of “lascivious” language a crime if used to harass the governor, lieutenant governor, employees or members of the state legislature, or judges. Not only would it be illegal to make these expressions in person, but lawmakers want to criminalize them even if they are made online."
Seriously? Threats? Remember this?

A Jury Just Convicted a Woman for Laughing at Jeff Sessions
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05 ... d-laughing
The Justice Department will not press federal charges against two white Baton Rouge police officers involved in last year's shooting death of a black man, Alton Sterling, multiple media outlets reported Tuesday, bringing renewed attention to how Attorney General Jeff Sessions, already controversial, is choosing to deal with allegations of police bias and racially motivated shootings. The decision is not entirely surprising: federal civil rights charges in such cases are rare, due to the high burden of proof, and even the Obama-era D.O.J. repeatedly declined to charge police officers involved in high-profile deaths. Still, it is stunning to see what cases Donald Trump’s attorney general has decided to prosecute.

On Wednesday, a jury convicted a 61-year-old female activist who had laughed during Sessions’s January confirmation hearing in the Senate. Desiree Fairooz, a longtime protester affiliated with the anti-war group Code Pink, had been escorted out of the room for laughing in response to Senator Richard Shelby's assertion that Sessions had a “clear and well-documented” history of “treating all Americans equally under the law.” (Sessions had, in fact, been denied a federal judgeship in 1986 because of a history of racially charged remarks, and Shelby himself had once run a campaign ad suggesting that Sessions was a Klan sympathizer.) Fairooz, along with two other protesters, faces up to a year in prison.
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Tedzilla wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:49 pm
It seems our new overlords in Virginia are having such fun with the second amendment they're going to have a go at the first amendment...

"A recent proposal, HB 1627, modifies a current law to make threats, insults, or the use of “lascivious” language a crime if used to harass the governor, lieutenant governor, employees or members of the state legislature, or judges. Not only would it be illegal to make these expressions in person, but lawmakers want to criminalize them even if they are made online."
They have the legislature and governors mansion so they can do it. Criminal harassment, making death threats and stalking are usually illegal, depends on the state and how the laws are written. As with most new laws, someone gets charged and it becomes test case in the courts.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... ful+HB1627
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Seriously? Insults? Remember this?
If your defense is "they did it too..." you've already lost.
I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT

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Tedzilla wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:16 pm
Seriously? Insults? Remember this?
If your defense is "they did it too..." you've already lost.
Ummm.... that's not what I wrote.

I give up on this. You guys have fun with your thread! Don't even worry about what it means to chase off other gunowners who might not have the exact same hardcore views.

Maybe that's what we have all already lost.
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K9s wrote:
"I give up on this. You guys have fun with your thread! Don't even worry about what it means to chase off other gunowners who might not have the exact same hardcore views."

A group of American politicians have proposed and written a law to criminalize what they consider "threats, insults or the use of lascivious language..." against their exalted personages and to mock this, on this board, will chase away other gun owners?!?
I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT

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i don't think anyone is chasing anyone else off. i do think we're all feeling the frustration. there are times when i think some of you guys don't "get it", and i expect the feeling is mutual. i occasionally get fed up and tell myself i'm leaving the forum because i don't fit in. but you're stuck with me, and i with you, because that's exactly the wrong attitude. we're here to discuss different viewpoints, not to be an echo chamber. sometimes it's hard to be civil, sometimes it's hard to understand each other. skip over an annoying thread now and then, take a break. don't give up, keep trying.

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SB581 failed in committee 7-8.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... +ful+SB581

Senate panel rejects bill stiffening penalties for letting minors access guns
A bill to toughen Virginia’s law against letting minors access loaded guns failed in a Senate committee Monday morning as two Democrats joined Republicans in blocking it.

Under current law, it’s a misdemeanor offense to “recklessly” leave a loaded, unsecured gun accessible to a child under 14. As drafted, Senate Bill 581, introduced by Sen. Janet Howell, D-Fairfax, would have raised the age to 18 and made violations a felony offense.

Even after changes were made to keep the misdemeanor classification and add a clear exemption for youth hunting, the bill failed on a 7-8 vote.

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House Public Safety - Firearms Subcommittee Committee, tomorrow:
https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/hou ... 19&ses=201

Code: Select all

Block 1
HB78	Kory	Firearms; purchase, possession, and transporting following certain convictions.
HB459	Sullivan	Firearms; possession or transportation following certain crimes.
HB900	Levine	Firearms; prohibition on possession, purchase, or transport following certain convictions.
HB1288	Murphy	Firearms; purchase, possession, etc., following two or more misdemeanor convictions.

Block 2
HB142	Davis	Concealed handgun permits; demonstration of competence.
HB264	Lopez	Concealed handgun permits; demonstration of competence.

Block 3
HB224	Freitas	Carrying a concealed handgun; permit not required.
HB600	Hope	Family day homes; storage of firearms.
HB1409	Rush	Second Amendment sanctuary status; budgeting decisions.
HB1499	Bourne	Virginia Gun Violence Intervention and Prevention Fund; created.
HB1689	Campbell, R.R.	Firearms; limitations on laws regarding the control thereof.

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Interesting that there has been no action on hb961 other than its initial referral to the public safety committee almost a month ago. I would have expected to see it discussed in the firearms subcommittee as well. Don’t know what the political advantage of sitting on it for now is, but the house only has one more week to act on it. Is it just wishful thinking that it will never make it out of committee? I suppose they could be waiting to bring it up to minimize the amount of time for protests while they are in assembly but I wouldn’t think they’d want to take this one down to the wire...

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lurker wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:10 am
i don't think anyone is chasing anyone else off. i do think we're all feeling the frustration. there are times when i think some of you guys don't "get it", and i expect the feeling is mutual. i occasionally get fed up and tell myself i'm leaving the forum because i don't fit in. but you're stuck with me, and i with you, because that's exactly the wrong attitude. we're here to discuss different viewpoints, not to be an echo chamber. sometimes it's hard to be civil, sometimes it's hard to understand each other. skip over an annoying thread now and then, take a break. don't give up, keep trying.

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That we don't fit in elsewhere is one reason we end up here. Many of us have quirky jobs or beliefs or practices, which makes the place interesting. Heck, some of us even own Glocks. Takes all kinds. I think we're all united in one way, and that is how far does it go until it's an actual infringement? Now, we all have different limits on what we'll accept, and that's the discussion part. But I think we'd all like to know where the line is. We should see it from the SCOTUS, so nothing short of that will satisfy me.

VA sure is focusing on the gun issue to the detriment of other things, like climate and homelessness.

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CDFingers wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:36 am
I think we're all united in one way, and that is how far does it go until it's an actual infringement? Now, we all have different limits on what we'll accept, and that's the discussion part. But I think we'd all like to know where the line is. We should see it from the SCOTUS, so nothing short of that will satisfy me.

VA sure is focusing on the gun issue to the detriment of other things, like climate and homelessness.

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In the legislature today:

Second reading in the senate:
SB64 - the no marching around with guns bill (makes it a felony)

SB71 expanding gun prohibitions to preschools and day care centers

SB684 if you lose your gun because they decide you're crazy but then later decide you were never crazy, you don't automatically get it back.

First reading for:
SB248 establishing Virginia Gun Violence Intervention and Prevention Fund

And a second reading in the house for HB1076 which changes slingshot to sling bow and takes away the concealed weapon exemption for the Harbormaster of the City of Hopewell - anyone know what that is about??


Still no activity on HB961, the AWB

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blackcarbine wrote:Still no activity on HB961, the AWB
Supposedly it's on Friday.
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DispositionMatrix wrote:
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blackcarbine wrote:Still no activity on HB961, the AWB
Supposedly it's on Friday.
Kinda like when you fire someone on a friday to avoid an incident? It's the last time the public safety committee will meet before the 2/11 deadline for the house to act on their own legislation. I'm guessing they want to push it out for a last minute vote in the house for fear that a group of voting citizens will have time to peacefully assemble again...

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It will be interesting to total up the actual laws that are signed by the Gov. How long after bills pass does he have to sign them?
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March 5th for the other chamber to vote on legislation and April 6th for the governor to sign.

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K9s wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:52 am
It will be interesting to total up the actual laws that are signed by the Gov. How long after bills pass does he have to sign them?
You think there will be any he doesn't sign?

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HB 961 up tomorrow. That's the AW ban with registration, mag ban with no compensation.

https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/hou ... 42&ses=201

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featureless wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:26 pm
HB 961 up tomorrow. That's the AW ban with registration, mag ban with no compensation.

https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/hou ... 42&ses=201
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So hb961 will require me to obtain a permit for an “assault firearm”. Am I correct in understanding that I would be the only one who could shoot that rifle at the range? And letting anyone else shoot it there would constitute them “possessing” it and they would become a felon?

The public safety subcommittee is in session at 8am if anyone wants to follow along...

https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/hou ... 15&ses=201







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