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Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:48 pm
by dontknow
At least 2 bills to ban "ghost guns". Other bills I havent even had time to read.
Heres some information. https://www.oregonfirearms.org/a-storm-is-brewing
Please call or email your representatives and senators and urge them to vote no for any gun control.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:35 pm
by CowboyT
Not so long ago, such bills would have been unthinkable in Oregon. Or Washington State.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:55 pm
by dontknow
CowboyT wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:35 pm Not so long ago, such bills would have been unthinkable in Oregon. Or Washington State.
Its gotten pretty bad. Democrats had previosly said that this session they finally had the power to pass ghost gun bans and other gun control. After the last election they lost their super majority in both houses in oregon. They couldnt pass it for the last three sessions. It seems like now is not a good time to be pushing this. I also wonder how the killing of Tyre Nichols will affect the push for gun control? I think there is a renewed call to defund the police. I can't imagine giving the police more BS laws to enforce on us.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:55 am
by F4FEver
dontknow wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:55 pm
CowboyT wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:35 pm Not so long ago, such bills would have been unthinkable in Oregon. Or Washington State.
Its gotten pretty bad. Democrats had previously said that this session they finally had the power to pass ghost gun bans and other gun control. After the last election they lost their super majority in both houses in Oregon. They couldn't pass it for the last three sessions. It seems like now is not a good time to be pushing this. I also wonder how the killing of Tyre Nichols will affect the push for gun control? I think there is a renewed call to defund the police. I can't imagine giving the police more BS laws to enforce on us.
Like stupid people, doing stupid things, using their legally obtained guns, tyrant cops hurt their 'cause' way more than some politicians yelling 'defund the cops' .
Cop shops had better fix this weaponized, 'civilians are the enemy', militarized mentality or 'politicians' will do it for them.

Just like gun control. "I have seen the enemy'...'and they are us".

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:43 pm
by CowboyT
I'm afraid politicians won't "do it for them". Remember who the bodyguards are for those very same politicians....yep, the police. Same folks who give exemptions to LEO's for just about every gun control measure that they want to foist upon Us, The People. That militarization, that's good for the elites, and they know it. You really don't think they encourage this, you know, behind closed doors out of view of the press? If they're so concerned about it, then why aren't they passing laws severely reducing the power of police unions, getting rid of the LEO exemptions for gun control, holding officers as accountable for bad behaviour as we are held, and so on? Why isn't that happening?

Simple: because the police are the bodyguards for those very same politicians. Rule of Survival #1: you don't piss off your bodyguards.

Folks, we're the ones at fault here for electing them over and over again. The only way this is going to get fix is if *WE* fix it, i. e. we get rid of the corrupt politicians in office and replace them with better ones. That's the only way.

That means doing research on the candidates in the uprunning to the Primary elections. It means getting your butts to those Primary elections and voting for those better folks. It means having those conversations with your friends and/or associates about this sort of thing and encouraging them to do the same.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:35 pm
by CDFingers
Here's PBS' report on the Oregon gun laws. Some emotions are there, eh.



They lay out the components of the law. They show when Missouri repealed their gun laws, homicides increased. They interview a gun store owner. They explore the rural/urban challenge. They look at the racial aspect and encourage education and counseling. They think it's going to the SCOTUS.

CDFingers

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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:19 pm
by SunRiseWest
CowboyT wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:43 pm I'm afraid politicians won't "do it for them". Remember who the bodyguards are for those very same politicians....yep, the police. Same folks who give exemptions to LEO's for just about every gun control measure that they want to foist upon Us, The People. That militarization, that's good for the elites, and they know it. You really don't think they encourage this, you know, behind closed doors out of view of the press? If they're so concerned about it, then why aren't they passing laws severely reducing the power of police unions, getting rid of the LEO exemptions for gun control, holding officers as accountable for bad behaviour as we are held, and so on? Why isn't that happening?

Simple: because the police are the bodyguards for those very same politicians. Rule of Survival #1: you don't piss off your bodyguards.

Folks, we're the ones at fault here for electing them over and over again. The only way this is going to get fix is if *WE* fix it, i. e. we get rid of the corrupt politicians in office and replace them with better ones. That's the only way.

That means doing research on the candidates in the uprunning to the Primary elections. It means getting your butts to those Primary elections and voting for those better folks. It means having those conversations with your friends and/or associates about this sort of thing and encouraging them to do the same.
Easy, there, Cowboy-- they are cracking down on LEOs. Here in L.A., they lowered the legal limit for alcohol for officers who are carrying off duty.

https://www.aol.com/news/lapd-policy-lo ... 06972.html

We should go a bit further, and lower the limit to 30 micrograms of LSD for off-duty officers who are strapped, and no more than a quarter gram of mushrooms. (Kidding!) One does kind of wonder why there is ANY permissible amount of alcohol for LEOs-- I mean, at least in bars or any other crowded public places. I do not drink myself, but I would think .04 is probably fine for a campground.

Actually, I'm not convinced that the real reason for the anti-gun bills isn't just laziness and stupidity-- in order to do root cause mitigation, you have to have the patience to think the problem through from beginning to end, and not surrender your critical thinking skills. I suspect the main culprit may be just sloppy thinking, and fixating on the simplest idea that's not really a solution.

I do not doubt that what you say is part of the picture: An elite protected by bodyguards would be more prone to take guns away from the proles for the reasons you suggest. But at the bottom of it is still arrogance and laziness. The idea that we rely on the police to protect us absolutely, in all situations, that this is someone else's problem.

Because let's face it: Owning a gun and being responsible for your own last-resort self defense is a lot of work. It might also be interesting, and practicing at the range can be fun, but it's also a pain in the ass, and a lot of liability. I don't go shooting as often as I'd like, so it takes me a half an hour just to pack my damn range bag. You literally have to get your hands dirty, which is not something elites like to do.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:56 am
by F4FEver
CowboyT wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:43 pm I'm afraid politicians won't "do it for them". Remember who the bodyguards are for those very same politicians....yep, the police. Same folks who give exemptions to LEO's for just about every gun control measure that they want to foist upon Us, The People. That militarization, that's good for the elites, and they know it. You really don't think they encourage this, you know, behind closed doors out of view of the press? If they're so concerned about it, then why aren't they passing laws severely reducing the power of police unions, getting rid of the LEO exemptions for gun control, holding officers as accountable for bad behaviour as we are held, and so on? Why isn't that happening?

Simple: because the police are the bodyguards for those very same politicians. Rule of Survival #1: you don't piss off your bodyguards.

Folks, we're the ones at fault here for electing them over and over again. The only way this is going to get fix is if *WE* fix it, i. e. we get rid of the corrupt politicians in office and replace them with better ones. That's the only way.

That means doing research on the candidates in the uprunning to the Primary elections. It means getting your butts to those Primary elections and voting for those better folks. It means having those conversations with your friends and/or associates about this sort of thing and encouraging them to do the same.
I'd say it IS happening. Not as much as we would like. BUT, with video everywhere, including on the majority of cops, cops, like the 5-6 that beat Tyrie to death may well have gotten their story straight and walked.5-6 years ago. Cop shops had better get in front of this...For the latest thugs...they were fired and then charged quickly, by 'politicians'.
Because let's face it: Owning a gun and being responsible for your own last-resort self defense is a lot of work. It might also be interesting, and practicing at the range can be fun, but it's also a pain in the ass, and a lot of liability. I don't go shooting as often as I'd like, so it takes me a half an hour just to pack my damn range bag. You literally have to get your hands dirty, which is not something elites like to do.
Disagree, somewhat. I don't think learning to own, carry and be responsible with a firearm is a PITA at all. I take great pride in the fact that I've done all this to protect 'me and mine'. I've chosen weapons that work well for me, and do what I can to be 'ready', even if that likelihood is teeny/tiny. In addition and dovetailed..I don't expect LEO to be any help at all. Even after they show up.
BUT, me and my sons are lucky enough to shoot a lot. It is great fun but also very rewarding and satisfying by hopefully knowing I'm there if needed for Me and MINE(no, not a 'sheepdog', won't ever run towards the sound of gunfire, not my job).

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:39 pm
by SunRiseWest
F4FEver wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:56 am
Disagree, somewhat. I don't think learning to own, carry and be responsible with a firearm is a PITA at all. I take great pride in the fact that I've done all this to protect 'me and mine'. I've chosen weapons that work well for me, and do what I can to be 'ready', even if that likelihood is teeny/tiny. In addition and dovetailed..I don't expect LEO to be any help at all. Even after they show up.
BUT, me and my sons are lucky enough to shoot a lot.
Good point! Part of the reason that owning a gun is a PITA for me (in some ways-- obviously, I enjoy it a lot as well, that's one reason I'm here!) is because I live in Los Angeles, it's a much bigger deal to get to the range... and the laws and regs are pretty oppressive.

I have worked with a few LEOs, so my attitude is that a cop might actually be helpful, because the officers it's been my privilege to serve have been dedicated and committed to the work, and seem like they got into it for all the right reasons.

At the same time, I'm well aware that LEOs who seek out psychotherapists are probably not a representative sample-- and if I got the wrong officer for the wrong kind of call, it could totally make the situation worse. I have had cops respond to my burglar alarm who asked what anyone would want to steal from my dumpy little apartment-- and started going through my closets. And of course I demanded they stop, reminding them that I did not consent to a search and they hadn't asked to perform one. (Gee, I wonder how that would have gone if I wasn't a white guy.) That was no help at all-- and indeed, my bicycle was stolen from a garage at the same property a few months later. :angry:

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:31 pm
by sikacz
CowboyT wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:43 pm I'm afraid politicians won't "do it for them". Remember who the bodyguards are for those very same politicians....yep, the police. Same folks who give exemptions to LEO's for just about every gun control measure that they want to foist upon Us, The People. That militarization, that's good for the elites, and they know it. You really don't think they encourage this, you know, behind closed doors out of view of the press? If they're so concerned about it, then why aren't they passing laws severely reducing the power of police unions, getting rid of the LEO exemptions for gun control, holding officers as accountable for bad behaviour as we are held, and so on? Why isn't that happening?

Simple: because the police are the bodyguards for those very same politicians. Rule of Survival #1: you don't piss off your bodyguards.

Folks, we're the ones at fault here for electing them over and over again. The only way this is going to get fix is if *WE* fix it, i. e. we get rid of the corrupt politicians in office and replace them with better ones. That's the only way.

That means doing research on the candidates in the uprunning to the Primary elections. It means getting your butts to those Primary elections and voting for those better folks. It means having those conversations with your friends and/or associates about this sort of thing and encouraging them to do the same.
True, agree. Unfortunately there are people among us who would insist we all vote blue no matter what and if we don’t we get accused of supporting the fascists or whatever label fits. Absolutely primaries are important, but if my chosen candidate loses that doesn’t mean my vote will go to the chosen candidate automatically. If I don’t agree with them on key issues, I don’t see the point in voting for them.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:35 pm
by tonguengroover
sikacz wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:31 pm
CowboyT wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:43 pm I'm afraid politicians won't "do it for them". Remember who the bodyguards are for those very same politicians....yep, the police. Same folks who give exemptions to LEO's for just about every gun control measure that they want to foist upon Us, The People. That militarization, that's good for the elites, and they know it. You really don't think they encourage this, you know, behind closed doors out of view of the press? If they're so concerned about it, then why aren't they passing laws severely reducing the power of police unions, getting rid of the LEO exemptions for gun control, holding officers as accountable for bad behaviour as we are held, and so on? Why isn't that happening?

Simple: because the police are the bodyguards for those very same politicians. Rule of Survival #1: you don't piss off your bodyguards.

Folks, we're the ones at fault here for electing them over and over again. The only way this is going to get fix is if *WE* fix it, i. e. we get rid of the corrupt politicians in office and replace them with better ones. That's the only way.

That means doing research on the candidates in the uprunning to the Primary elections. It means getting your butts to those Primary elections and voting for those better folks. It means having those conversations with your friends and/or associates about this sort of thing and encouraging them to do the same.
True, agree. Unfortunately there are people among us who would insist we all vote blue no matter what and if we don’t we get accused of supporting the fascists or whatever label fits. Absolutely primaries are important, but if my chosen candidate loses that doesn’t mean my vote will go to the chosen candidate automatically. If I don’t agree with them on key issues, I don’t see the point in voting for them.
That means talking to your politicians more than friends. All of course for the better.
I don't think all politicians even acknowledge the fact we Liberal gun owners exist. We need some real lobbying here for the liberal politicians , that means independents too.
"Single-issue politics are a form of litmus test; common examples are abortion, taxation, animal rights, environment, and guns. The National Rifle Association in the United States, which has only one specific interest, is an example of a single-issue group. What differentiates single-issue groups from other interest groups is their intense style of lobbying."

I ain't no single issue voter and never will be like some people here. I do not like gun control like California has. I could settle for some other type laws like waiting periods, 21 and over, mental health checks stuff like that. All those help protect me as well.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:42 pm
by SunRiseWest
tonguengroover wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:35 pm
I don't think all politicians even acknowledge the fact we Liberal gun owners exist. We need some real lobbying here for the liberal politicians , that means independents too.
"Single-issue politics are a form of litmus test; common examples are abortion, taxation, animal rights, environment, and guns. The National Rifle Association in the United States, which has only one specific interest, is an example of a single-issue group. What differentiates single-issue groups from other interest groups is their intense style of lobbying."

I ain't no single issue voter and never will be like some people here. I do not like gun control like California has. I could settle for some other type laws like waiting periods, 21 and over, mental health checks stuff like that. All those help protect me as well.
We are totally invisible. The strange thing from the Shot Show report is that LGC appears to be a bridge-builder. I also noticed that several right-wing news outlets have been quite fair-- even enthusiastic-- about LGC. Maybe if we knocked the shit out of single-issue politics, we could all stop drinking the Kool Aid from the lunatic fringe of our respective parties and start talking to each other again. (I know, I'm dreaming.)

I don't like California's gun control either-- even if it's Gun Heaven compared to NYC, where I grew up. But in this state, next time I go camping, I can't even figure out where I can bring a gun and where I can't. State park or National or BLM land or some other damn thing?

I don't actually know if I could legally shoot a lion or coyote in my own back yard if it went for my dogs. And we have them, they've been spotted a few blocks from where I live. Note: I do not WANT to shoot a lion, this is not why I own guns. I really liked out local lion, and he only started making trouble when he got sick and had to be put down anyway. It is just weird that I live in a place where me and the dogs are constantly menaced by wild animals-- mostly coyotes, and you have to haze them really aggressively-- and I don't think I could put a round into the dirt, or even shoot a damn blank, even on my own property without a trip to jail or losing my professional license. I don't even know how I'd figure out whether I could or not.

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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:25 pm
by CowboyT
In several states, "varmint" or "nuisance" species are fair game all year to shoot. That includes feral pigs, coyotes, and so on. Shooting and butchering feral pigs is a good way to get organic, and lean, protein into your diet. Just cook it thoroughly like any other pork. I *think* that Virginia is one of those states.

Gun owners here in VA got a major reminder in researching candidates and getting out to vote after the Bloom-boy-funded Democrats did what they did from 2020 to 2022. Not that we didn't know this before, but it was a strong reminder of the need to vote in Primaries and the statewide General Elections.

No matter who I talk to, it seems that they're surprised to meet a Liberal gun owner and pro-2A activist. But that's what I became and had to become after 2008. I really had no choice if I wanted to be at all consistent.

Oregonians, take note of the above.

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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:22 am
by CDFingers
SunRiseWest wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:42 pm
tonguengroover wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:35 pm
snrps--

I don't like California's gun control either-- even if it's Gun Heaven compared to NYC, where I grew up. But in this state, next time I go camping, I can't even figure out where I can bring a gun and where I can't. State park or National or BLM land or some other damn thing?

--snrps--
In California, if you're camping or even hiking and have a gun to protect against our gnarly saber toothed wildebeests, even if you have permits, licenses and an uncle who drives the CHP tow truck, you'd best have copper bullets (or at least non lead like pricey bismuth) lest you be in big trouble.

CDFingers

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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:18 pm
by highdesert
AFAIK, it's still legal to have a gun at your campsite, but that might not be the case in the future.
Unless otherwise unlawful, any person over the age of 18 who is not prohibited from possessing firearms may have a loaded or unloaded firearm at his or her place of residence, temporary residence, campsite or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the person . Any person engaged in lawful business (including nonprofit organizations) or any officer, employee or agent authorized for lawful purposes connected with the business may have a loaded firearm within the place of business if that person is over 18 years of age and not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms . (Pen . Code, §§ 25605, 26035 .)
https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/california.pdf

Who knows what will happen during this session of the California Legislature with its Democratic supermajority.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:41 pm
by tonguengroover
Hey I did not write that CDFingers, Thats all SunRiseWest sir.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:54 pm
by CDFingers
tonguengroover wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:41 pm Hey I did not write that CDFingers, Thats all SunRiseWest sir.
Roger that. My bad at editing. I wanted to make the point that California has some gnarly rules with respect to hunting. Even if you're protecting yourself in the woods, you're still "hunting" according to California.

CDFingers

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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:39 pm
by SunRiseWest
CDFingers wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:22 am
In California, if you're camping or even hiking and have a gun to protect against our gnarly saber toothed wildebeests, even if you have permits, licenses and an uncle who drives the CHP tow truck, you'd best have copper bullets (or at least non lead like pricey bismuth) lest you be in big trouble.

CDFingers
No worries, CDF. All of my ammo is now depleted uranium-- a novel cartridge of dubious utility, I know, particularly in .22 LR. I figure it might give me a bit of an edge dealing with our highly mutated wildlife, which has been rendered more unpredictable due to excessive exposure to... something. Probably film and television.
highdesert wrote: AFAIK, it's still legal to have a gun at your campsite, but that might not be the case in the future...

Who knows what will happen during this session of the California Legislature with its Democratic supermajority.
I agree, but folks at the LGS-- both customers and staff-- seemed a little crazy on this point. Someone was saying that this is the month when the California roster will be done away with-- one of the sales associates and two of the customers were nodding their heads... but one of the managers rolled his eyes and said, "Yeah. Someone is saying that in February every year. I'll believe it when I see it."

I think they must be living under a rock, because I think the wind is, unfortunately, blowing the other way in the Golden State.

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:37 pm
by TrueTexan
SunRiseWest wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:39 pm
CDFingers wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:22 am
In California, if you're camping or even hiking and have a gun to protect against our gnarly saber toothed wildebeests, even if you have permits, licenses and an uncle who drives the CHP tow truck, you'd best have copper bullets (or at least non lead like pricey bismuth) lest you be in big trouble.

CDFingers
No worries, CDF. All of my ammo is now depleted uranium-- a novel cartridge of dubious utility, I know, particularly in .22 LR. I figure it might give me a bit of an edge dealing with our highly mutated wildlife, which has been rendered more unpredictable due to excessive exposure to... something. Probably film and television.
highdesert wrote: AFAIK, it's still legal to have a gun at your campsite, but that might not be the case in the future...

Who knows what will happen during this session of the California Legislature with its Democratic supermajority.
I agree, but folks at the LGS-- both customers and staff-- seemed a little crazy on this point. Someone was saying that this is the month when the California roster will be done away with-- one of the sales associates and two of the customers were nodding their heads... but one of the managers rolled his eyes and said, "Yeah. Someone is saying that in February every year. I'll believe it when I see it."

I think they must be living under a rock, because I think the wind is, unfortunately, blowing the other way in the Golden State.
Yes they will blow to more gun control after the LAPD found the assault weapons and other guns and 1,000 rounds of ammo in the 18th story apartment in Hollywood.

I have more than that in my home office counting all the rounds for the different caliber guns I own.

Re: Oregon: Many anti gun bills introduced. Contact your legislators!

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:39 pm
by SunRiseWest
TrueTexan wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:37 pm
Yes they will blow to more gun control after the LAPD found the assault weapons and other guns and 1,000 rounds of ammo in the 18th story apartment in Hollywood.

I have more than that in my home office counting all the rounds for the different caliber guns I own.
I hate breathless news reports of "thousands of rounds of ammunition!" like thousands of children are at imminent risk of being mowed down in Kindergarten. I've probably got about 100 shotgun shells, about 80 .22 WMR, maybe 400 or 500 rounds of .380, but I'm mostly a rimfire guy, so I have... God, I have no idea how much .22 long. In the '90s and early 2000s, I had a bad feeling about how the laws were going, so I'd just buy a brick of 500 every time I went to the sporting goods store. What is a PITA is that due to how Cali laws work, it's less paperwork for everyone if I buy all my ammo at once when I pick up the 942. From there on, I'll mostly probably shoot range ammo whenever possible, which does not require all the paperwork.