i have an AR15. it has a recoil buffer in the stock, with a spring that goes "sproing!". i dislike the "sproing!", intensely. it makes the rifle seem cheap and flimsy, especially if i'm wearing muffs, which touch the stock. what can i do about it?
a quick search reveals hydraulic buffers and captive spring buffers.
Re: i hate the "sproing!"
2You can:
1) pack the spring in lithium grease (I did this and it works, but it's messy)
2) Buy a JP enterprises captured recoil spring ($150-$200)
3) buy a solid wood stock from boyds to dampen noise
4) trade you current lower for a Fightlite SCR lower
5) Buy a Mini 14.
1) pack the spring in lithium grease (I did this and it works, but it's messy)
2) Buy a JP enterprises captured recoil spring ($150-$200)
3) buy a solid wood stock from boyds to dampen noise
4) trade you current lower for a Fightlite SCR lower
5) Buy a Mini 14.
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3I hate "SPROING" too. It's the exact inverse of the M1 "bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang...PING"
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4considering in the 20+ years i've had the rifle, i've never taken the stock apart, maybe i should try option 1. #3 has appeal, also. wood, mmmm.. why does the room suddenly feel warmer?senorgrand wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:18 am You can:
1) pack the spring in lithium grease (I did this and it works, but it's messy)
2) Buy a JP enterprises captured recoil spring ($150-$200)
3) buy a solid wood stock from boyds to dampen noise
4) trade you current lower for a Fightlite SCR lower
5) Buy a Mini 14.
yes, after shooting a real rifle, it just seems unnecessary. after the music that is "chinng-clang!", or as you put it, "ping!", the sproing is just cacaphonous. yes, sounds like caca.senorgrand wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:19 am I hate "SPROING" too. It's the exact inverse of the M1 "bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang...PING"
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Re: i hate the "sproing!"
5I got rid of the "sproing" in my Aero M5 by switching to a Tubbs flat wire spring.
http://www.davidtubb.com/tubb-springs/ar15-bufferspring
http://www.davidtubb.com/tubb-springs/ar15-bufferspring
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6i could see spending 28 bucks. yes, i'm cheap. frugal. whatever.
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7I’m certain that the demoralizing effect of the sproing is why we lost the Vietnam war.
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8I fired tens of thousands of rounds out of M-16s while in the Army and honestly never noticed the sproing. It was never something talked about by soldiers. It’s just the way that particular weapon/mechanism operates. IMO, complaining about it is sort of akin to buying a turbo charged vehicle and then complaining about turbo whine.
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9I think a fixed stock helps somewhat as well, though it's hard to remember way back when I shot an adjustable. They make 'em feel cheap and rattly also. My fixed stocks have a little sproing, but not much. Just enough to tell when the bolt stops on an empty mag.
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10i suspect if my earmuffs didn't press against the stock while drawing a bead, i wouldn't notice it so much.
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11I can say, the JP Silent Capture Spring definitely works. It's spendy though.
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12Or just buy better earplugs. Custom fitted ones are great. They filter noise and keep water out of your ears when you swim.senorgrand wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:18 am You can:
1) pack the spring in lithium grease (I did this and it works, but it's messy)
2) Buy a JP enterprises captured recoil spring ($150-$200)
3) buy a solid wood stock from boyds to dampen noise
4) trade you current lower for a Fightlite SCR lower
5) Buy a Mini 14.
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13I'm fairly certain my AR with a rifle length/fixed stock buffer tube doesn't spring nearly as much as my carbine. But like people have said, it may just be that my cheek weld doesn't put my muffs in contact with the stock.
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14Try Strike Industries buffer spring. It's made out of flat wire that reduces the twang. I have it and the sproing is barely noticeable. Not bad for $18, especially since it has 3 times the service life (supposedly).
https://www.opticsplanet.com/strike-ind ... viewAnchor
https://www.opticsplanet.com/strike-ind ... viewAnchor
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15I brought them up the last time this discussion was had here but there are a couple of less expensive alternatives to the JP Enterprises system. Still more expensive than grease and/or the SI flat buffer spring but half, or less, that of JP.
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Re: i hate the "sproing!"
16The “sproing” is transferred from the cheek-rest to your cheek-bones, grating its way up your jawline to vibrate the small bones in your eardrum.
Unfortunately, earplugs won’t do a damned thing.
Unfortunately, earplugs won’t do a damned thing.
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17Could switch to an A5 receiver extension / spring / buffer. It produces less "sproing" (noticeably so), and you'll also get a smoother recoil impulse and reliability across a broader range of gas pressures.
BCM is out of stock of their kit but you can find it various places online: https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Int ... te-shk.htm
Note that there are various buffer weights (A5-0 through A5-4 IIRC) and the kit comes with a -0. If your gun isn't tuned to have minimal gas pressure, you might want a -1 or -2.
BCM is out of stock of their kit but you can find it various places online: https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Int ... te-shk.htm
Note that there are various buffer weights (A5-0 through A5-4 IIRC) and the kit comes with a -0. If your gun isn't tuned to have minimal gas pressure, you might want a -1 or -2.
Re: i hate the "sproing!"
18OK. Here's another take: A much worse "sproing!" is when you're disassembling something, especially with tiny parts, and the "sproing!" means at least 1, probably 2, possibly 3 tiny parts, one of which is a spring, have taken a flying leap in some direction you missed, and, unbeknownst to you, has rolled under something VERY heavy with no clearance for your fingers.
After that, the "sproing!" in a working firearm will be a relief! (as long as no parts go flying!)
After that, the "sproing!" in a working firearm will be a relief! (as long as no parts go flying!)
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19I picked up some flatwire buffer springs from Strike Industries. Was like 19 bucks, completely removed the sproing from my mid-length carbine. On a weird note my 11.5" AR pistol has no sproing sound even without the flatwire spring.
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20since you mention it i have a flat wire spring on order from KBI ($15) right now, expected to arrive tomorrow or tues. also a used but "excellent" hammer for the c96, which is having sear engagement issues. wouldn't want it to go full auto, now would we?
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21Never heard it/felt it. I'm sure if I had I'd hate it...the Sproing I mean.
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22My Winchester 52 has a "sproing" as well - a cheap, nasty little "sproing" from the bolt. However, it fills my simple little heart with joy as I know it can STILL shoot little tiny groups with iron sights far better than many other guns half its age can achieve with a scope.... It is currently a young 70 years, and counting.....
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23spring arrived, will put it in and try it some time after hunting season.
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24it's all well and good to note a problem, and it's fun to complain about, but that doesn't fix it. i originally intended to do this at the range so i could immediately enjoy the instant gratification, but that hasn't happened. so, to make one less problem in the world, let's fix this thing, ok? ready?
here's the new flatwire spring, $15.99 from KBI.
first, make sure there is no ammunition in the rifle. lay the rifle on its right side. see the pin "A' there by the "go/no go" button? push it in, with a cartridge, screwdriver, fingertip, whatever. great, now flip the rifle over, pull the pin out as far as it will go, and open up the receiver.
here's the new flatwire spring, $15.99 from KBI.
first, make sure there is no ammunition in the rifle. lay the rifle on its right side. see the pin "A' there by the "go/no go" button? push it in, with a cartridge, screwdriver, fingertip, whatever. great, now flip the rifle over, pull the pin out as far as it will go, and open up the receiver.
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i'm retired. what's your excuse?
Re: i hate the "sproing!"
25good. now we can see the spring-loaded detent (B) and the recoil buffer(C). using some sort of skinny pointy tool, press the detent down into its hole, which will release the buffer and spring. you may have to cock the hammer to wriggle and cajole them out.
i'm retired. what's your excuse?