Dems Lost Georgia

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/20/politics/ ... index.html
Atlanta (CNN)Republican Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff in a high-stakes special election for a Georgia House seat on Tuesday, denying Democrats their first major victory of the Donald Trump era.

Handel led Ossoff by 4.8 percentage points with more than three-fourths of the 6th District's precincts having reported their results at 10 p.m. ET, in the most expensive House race in US history...But it wasn't what Democrats who pumped $23 million into Ossoff's campaign so desperately craved: A win.
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GA: meh. California could buy GA then lease it out as a classroom to study heat stroke and Type II diabetes.

Fuck gerrymandering and voter suppression.

2018 will be most interesting. Flip the House. Impeach the corrupt ones, and the three folks left will rebuild.

CDFingers
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The devil went down to Georgia and the Dems lost

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The Dems hopeful Jon Ossoff lost to the Republican Karen Handel in a close race. It was the most expensive house race to date.
Republican Karen Handel was the projected winner of Tuesday’s special election for Georgia’s 6th Congressional District, according to CNN, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and NBC. Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff in a traditional GOP stronghold that polling suggested could be in play this time around.

The outcome is especially painful for Democrats who viewed Ossoff’s candidacy as a prime opportunity to land a blow against President Donald Trump.

Handel, a 55-year-old former Georgia secretary of state, replaces Republican Tom Price, who left Congress to become Trump’s secretary of health and human services.

Ossoff, a 30-year-old documentary filmmaker and former congressional aide, was ultimately unable to peel away enough anti-Trump Republicans or mobilize enough new Democratic-leaning voters to overcome the district’s deep-seated Republican leanings.

“It was really all about the Republican candidate Karen Handel getting her Republican base to show up in force,” said Kerwin Swint, chair of the political science department at Kennesaw State University, just outside Atlanta. “That’s what made the difference. Jon Ossoff was successful in eating into that base but obviously not quite enough to put him over the top.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon ... mg00000009
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I'd rather include the right of our party and win majority control of Congress / White House / Supreme Court most of the time rather than to keep losing elections.

It is beyond frustrating to see working class folks voting for Republicans who are out to ensure the 1% succeed on the backs of those voters who should be voting with us. If the Democrats keep running more and more left, then we go backwards in our overall agenda. Maybe every couple decades we get a one-time shot with a super majority before going back to decades of defending against the reversal of our policies by the skin of our teeth.

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HuckleberryFun wrote:Did we really want to go back to the days of pandering to blue dog democrats from conservative districts? No thanks. I'm not sorry Ossoff lost.
That's for sure. Gollllly, Sergeant Carter, remember SAM NUNN?!! (I know, Gomer was from SC... Let's call it artistic license).
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pokute wrote:
HuckleberryFun wrote:Did we really want to go back to the days of pandering to blue dog democrats from conservative districts? No thanks. I'm not sorry Ossoff lost.
That's for sure. Gollllly, Sergeant Carter, remember SAM NUNN?!! (I know, Gomer was from SC... Let's call it artistic license).
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Yes, I remember Sam Nunn. From his Wikipedia page:

"Overall, Nunn was a moderate-to-conservative Democrat[9] who often broke with his party on a host of social and economic issues. He opposed the budget bill of 1993, which included provisions to raise taxes in order to reduce the budget deficit. He neither supported nor opposed Hillary Clinton's attempt to nationalize health care, though he spoke out very strongly against the proposed insurance mandate.[citation needed]

Nunn actively worked to block President Bill Clinton's proposal to allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military.[10][11]

In 2008, Nunn endorsed a new Pentagon study to examine the issue of homosexuals serving openly in the military: “I think [when] 15 years go by on any personnel policy, it’s appropriate to take another look at it — see how it’s working, ask the hard questions, hear from the military. Start with a Pentagon study.”[12]

According to opensecrets.org, Sam Nunn received about $2.4 million during his 1989-1994 political career. His main contributors were the finance/insurance/real estate sector (totaling $411,665; $46,660 was received from Goldman, Sachs & Co), the defense industry, lawyers and lobbyists, the alcohol and non-alcoholic beverages industry (including Coca-Cola), and the agriculture sector.[13]

He voted in favor of school prayer, capping punitive damage awards, amending the U.S. Constitution to require a balanced budget, and limiting death penalty appeals."


FUCK SAM NUNN! We don't need any more like him!
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Dems are 0 for 4 in these special elections, they need a different strategy.

The reality is that to get to 220 House and 51 Senate seats, those Dems are not all going to be coastal liberal types looking and acting the same. With a two party system, each party has a left and right wing and agree on some core areas. All politics are local.

Nate Silver did an analysis: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ff-handel/
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote:Dems are 0 for 4 in these special elections, they need a different strategy.

The reality is that to get to 220 House and 51 Senate seats, those Dems are not all going to be coastal liberal types looking and acting the same. With a two party system, each party has a left and right wing and agree on some core areas. All politics are local.

Nate Silver did an analysis: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... ff-handel/
Republicans fight to win. Democrats compromise to win.
How's that been working out for us? Yeah, thought so...

Nate Silver got the election wrong just like all the other pundits.
Although his analyses are interesting, his prognostication credentials are tarnished.

Here's an idea: the so-called "Heartland" can better themselves to become more like those liberal coastal elites rather than the coastal elites trying to become ignorant, bitter, small-souled, small-minded rubes. I'd rather lose than become them.
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curtism1234 wrote: It is beyond frustrating to see working class folks voting for Republicans who are out to ensure the 1% succeed on the backs of those voters who should be voting with us. If the Democrats keep running more and more left, then we go backwards in our overall agenda. Maybe every couple decades we get a one-time shot with a super majority before going back to decades of defending against the reversal of our policies by the skin of our teeth.
But freedom!
Glad that federal government is boring again.

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Stiff wrote:
curtism1234 wrote: It is beyond frustrating to see working class folks voting for Republicans who are out to ensure the 1% succeed on the backs of those voters who should be voting with us. If the Democrats keep running more and more left, then we go backwards in our overall agenda. Maybe every couple decades we get a one-time shot with a super majority before going back to decades of defending against the reversal of our policies by the skin of our teeth.
But freedom!
True, that.

The freedom to live without health care.
The freedom to live where the rich get tax breaks and the poor get sick and die
The freedom to enjoy watching the destruction of a republic
The freedom to have a .gov who is the most corrupt in American history
The freedom to know that people of color and women of any color serve as tools for old white guy boot-wiping

And the freedom to say FDT--hey, it's all I got.

CDFingers
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curtism1234 wrote:I'd rather include the right of our party and win majority control of Congress / White House / Supreme Court most of the time rather than to keep losing elections.

It is beyond frustrating to see working class folks voting for Republicans who are out to ensure the 1% succeed on the backs of those voters who should be voting with us. If the Democrats keep running more and more left, then we go backwards in our overall agenda. Maybe every couple decades we get a one-time shot with a super majority before going back to decades of defending against the reversal of our policies by the skin of our teeth.
I agree, successful Dems have to match their constituencies and they won't all look like coastal liberals. Reps have successfully used Nancy Pelosi as the out of touch San Francisco liberal for years and it's worked for them. Education is a huge factor and all those poor states with low educational attainment still vote and elect members to Congress. Either they adapt or Dems adjust to being an elite party of coastal liberals permanently in the minority.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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one issue. just one.
if the dems started actively disavowing more gun control, they'd have a chance. might even win. suddenly they'd be consistent on civil rights, and the reps would have no answer.
how?
"we already have (more than) enough gun restrictions."
i'm retired. what's your excuse?

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lurker wrote:one issue. just one.
if the dems started actively disavowing more gun control, they'd have a chance. might even win. suddenly they'd be consistent on civil rights, and the reps would have no answer.
how?
"we already have (more than) enough gun restrictions."
I can roll with that. :thumbup:
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highdesert wrote:
curtism1234 wrote:I'd rather include the right of our party and win majority control of Congress / White House / Supreme Court most of the time rather than to keep losing elections.

It is beyond frustrating to see working class folks voting for Republicans who are out to ensure the 1% succeed on the backs of those voters who should be voting with us. If the Democrats keep running more and more left, then we go backwards in our overall agenda. Maybe every couple decades we get a one-time shot with a super majority before going back to decades of defending against the reversal of our policies by the skin of our teeth.
I agree, successful Dems have to match their constituencies and they won't all look like coastal liberals. Reps have successfully used Nancy Pelosi as the out of touch San Francisco liberal for years and it's worked for them. Education is a huge factor and all those poor states with low educational attainment still vote and elect members to Congress. Either they adapt or Dems adjust to being an elite party of coastal liberals permanently in the minority.
These. ^^

+1 also w/ Lurker. Dems have got to lose the anti-gun fetish.
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Democratic Party spent big in Georgia election, lost anyway.

“Ossoff explicitly campaigned against single-payer healthcare and tax increases for the rich, and was rewarded by Democratic donors with $24 million in donations and another $8 million in outside spending.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capita ... st-2555176

Unfortunately, he was not rewarded by Georgia voters with enough votes to win.
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SilasSoule wrote:Democratic Party spent big in Georgia election, lost anyway.

“Ossoff explicitly campaigned against single-payer healthcare and tax increases for the rich, and was rewarded by Democratic donors with $24 million in donations and another $8 million in outside spending.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capita ... st-2555176

Unfortunately, he was not rewarded by Georgia voters with enough votes to win.
And how much did the Republicans spend to keep a seat that should've been a cakewalk?
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whitey wrote:
SilasSoule wrote:Democratic Party spent big in Georgia election, lost anyway.

“Ossoff explicitly campaigned against single-payer healthcare and tax increases for the rich, and was rewarded by Democratic donors with $24 million in donations and another $8 million in outside spending.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capita ... st-2555176

Unfortunately, he was not rewarded by Georgia voters with enough votes to win.
And how much did the Republicans spend to keep a seat that should've been a cakewalk?
Reps spent about the same - that press said $50 million total was spent on this race, it set a record. IIRC the former congressman Tom Price won November 2016 by 25% - Ossoff lost by around 4%. I'd be interested in seeing any exit polls if they exist.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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10% of seats are barely Competitive in the House according to NPR and the Dems really don't seem to have a strategy, us Anarchists though are always prepared with humble alternatives that are DIY! https://libcom.org/library/angry-not-ap ... federation
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CDFingers wrote:GA: meh. California could buy GA then lease it out as a classroom to study heat stroke and Type II diabetes.

Fuck gerrymandering and voter suppression.

2018 will be most interesting. Flip the House. Impeach the corrupt ones, and the three folks left will rebuild.

CDFingers
I live in GA and I think that comment is out of line. I moved from Cali to the deep south. Cali is no paradise. Your attitude expressed about GA is symptomatic of the deep divisions in our country.

I lived in that GA district and I still work there. It is the wealthiest, most educated Republican district in the country. Dems never had a chance in that election, regardless of what anyone tried to spin. In my opinion, GA won't be purple for decades (if ever). Dems here need to focus on local races where they have a shot. Donors are wasting their money by trying to flip districts here with outside money.
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So last week, the House passed a bill that would kick black voters out of several GOP districts, trading them for Republican-friendly white voters. The bill will become law with the approval of the Republican-controlled Senate and the signature of Republican Gov. Nathan Deal—both of which seem likely given the enthusiasm that the Georgia GOP has already shown for the measure.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ander.html

You're right about the heat stroke, though, as Nevada has way more deaths than Georgia.

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lurker wrote:one issue. just one.
if the dems started actively disavowing more gun control, they'd have a chance. might even win. suddenly they'd be consistent on civil rights, and the reps would have no answer.
how?
"we already have (more than) enough gun restrictions."
As the Brits say; 'Brilliant!'

Subs
"Oozing charm from every pore, he oiled his way around the floor."

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Also live in GA, specifically The Fighting 5th (ably represented by civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis).

The knee-jerk paternalism that always accrues to critiques of The South are stereotypes.

I refer interested parties to bizarre voting machine “research” housed at Kennesaw State, which you may never have heard of, but which hosted Sergei Kislyak in April (?) 2016, and which until a week or two ago was run briefly by former AG Sam Olens—appointed by Gov. Deal outside of the usual academic search process. Soon after the Ossoff-Handel election, KSU (which has/had possession of the election machines!—ever heard of that happening?!) ERASED one of the machine’s hard drives. OOPSIE. Wasn’t long before Olens tangled with the cheerleaders for taking a knee, which surely he knew was a First Amendment issue. Shortly thereafter, Olens was done at KSU.

So, if you want to critique the shenanigans, I would start there.
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