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#1 Post by AndyH » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:47 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FBFpkc6UwY

Cenk is affecting me the same way more than 10 minutes of Rachel Maddow does lately, but the message seems consistent: Bernie = Bad, the same plans that continue to cost Dems elections = good.


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#3 Post by lurker » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:03 pm

i've voted independent before, and i can do it again.
reps are beginning to admit they have a problem, dems still in denial/coverup mode.
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#4 Post by CDFingers » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:17 pm

(from reddit)
Hillary is too good. She colluded with Russia by setting up an Email honeypot trap so that Trump would win the election, destroying the Republican party, and allowing her to appoint herself God Empress of the American Empire (little known clause in the constitution).
Seemed better here on a progressive conspire thread...

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#5 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:32 pm

This is why I posit that the Democrats won't take back the Senate. Instead I see them losing up to 12 seats. If they lose just 8, the Republicans have FULL control of the Senate. Here's who I see in potential or serious danger:
1.Florida. Bill Nelson (Florida keeps getting redder)
2.Indiana. Joe Donnelly. (Isn't this the Indiana that elected Mike Pence?)
3.Michigan. Debbie Stabenow (One of the "Blue Wall" states that collapsed)
4.Minnesota. Amy Klobuchar (Probably the least in danger of any on this list)
5.Missouri. Clare McCaskill (Missery is so red it's crimson)
6.Montana. Jon Tester (He'll be gone)
7.North Dakota. Heidi Heitkamp (She'll be gone)
8.Ohio. Sherrod Brown (Ohio's getting redder but Brown is still popular)
9.Penn. Bob Casey (PA is another "Blue line" failure)
10.Virginia. Tim Caine (VA likes mod Dejs, but.........)
11.West Va. Joe Manchin (Kiss Joe goodbye)
12.Wisconsin. Tammy Baldwin (the third "Blue Line" failure)

That's 12 I see as vulnerable

And what pickups are there?
1.Alabama. Roy Moore is so weird voting drives are taking place to stop him.
2.Arizona. With Flake retiring and the kooks that Bannon backs, sanity MAY prevail
3.Nevada. Dean Heller. This may be the best chance to pick up a seat.
4.Tennessee. With Corker retiring it's distantly possible to grab that seat, but I wouldn't count on it.
5.Texas. Ted Cruz. He's Ted Cruz. Al Franken put it best "I like Ted Cruz more than most other Senators. And I HATE Ted Cruz!" He barely squeaked by in Texas so, maybe, maybe....but not with the Perez crew in the DNC.
6.Utah. Orrin Hatch. But only if he retires and Mitt Romney runs. Oh. Wait. Romney's STILL a Republican!
7. Wyoming. John Barrasso. Not sure he's REALLY vulnerable

7, no, 6 Republican seats. But I only realistically think Alabama and Nevada are possible. So even if the Dems defend ALL 12 seats, even if they pick up 2, they STILL only have 50 seats. And they won't.

I think definitely 4 seats are already gone in Montana, Indiana, North Dakota and Missouri. I just don't see how they win.

We'll see after next week's off-year elections. If Jones wins Sessions' seat in Alabama, and Northam wins in Virginia, and Murphy here in NJ (Pretty much a shoo-in), it sets up a better 2018. If they all lose, Dems better replace Perez and his wrecking crew pretty damn quick!
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#6 Post by highdesert » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:18 pm

This is all political noise, like Bannon's attempt to take over the Republican Party it keeps the media machine rolling with stories. No doubt about it, the Democrats have a steep hill to climb to win both chambers in 2018 but polls continue to show the Democrats holding a consistent lead over Republicans in the generic 2018 congressional vote.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... html#polls

However elections are won state by state and district by district. What intra-party battles can do is make it more difficult to attract strong candidates to run for these offices. Countries like the UK don't have this problem, candidates don't have to live in the constituency/district they represent, they just need the approval of the local party apparatus.

Though Trump still has high approval ratings among Republicans, there is a drop among independents in an NBC/WSJ poll.
The drop in Trump’s overall approval rating — from 43 percent in September to 38 percent now — comes from independents, whites (who shifted from 51 percent approval a month ago to 47 percent now) and whites without a college degree (from 58 percent to 51 percent).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first- ... te-n815551

A 10/27 to 10/29 Gallup Poll shows Trump's job approval rating at 33% and disapprove at 62%. It just keeps going down.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -6179.html
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#7 Post by Zenmason » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm

highdesert wrote:
A 10/27 to 10/29 Gallup Poll shows Trump's job approval rating at 33% and disapprove at 62%. It just keeps going down.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -6179.html
The DOTUS is loosing independents that simply voted for change. He can't get elected again. We need to Impeach or Article 25
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#8 Post by Zenmason » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm

highdesert wrote:
A 10/27 to 10/29 Gallup Poll shows Trump's job approval rating at 33% and disapprove at 62%. It just keeps going down.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -6179.html
The DOTUS is loosing independents that simply voted for change. He can't get elected again. We need to Impeach or Article 25
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#9 Post by eelj » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:35 pm

Zenmason wrote:
highdesert wrote:
A 10/27 to 10/29 Gallup Poll shows Trump's job approval rating at 33% and disapprove at 62%. It just keeps going down.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -6179.html
The DOTUS is loosing independents that simply voted for change. He can't get elected again. We need to Impeach or Article 25
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#10 Post by K9s » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:22 am

Not sure why Trump's approval rating is climbing lately. I guess because he hasn't started that trade war yet? I assume that the Senate will still be Rep in a year, but turning the House blue will make a world of difference to me. It will be an interesting November with a military parade and mid-term elections.
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#11 Post by shinzen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:58 am

It's astonishing that his approval rating is improving. Maybe America approves of his lawsuits against porn stars and playboy bunnies.
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#12 Post by YankeeTarheel » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:33 am

Maybe it's like weight loss. You hit a new low then it bounces back up...for a while, then it drops some more.
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#13 Post by VodoundaVinci » Mon May 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Bernie and his Supporters, of which I am one, have *got* to get over this "we are gonna remake the Democratic Party!" bullshit and secede from their influence. If a Socialist Movement or a Progressive Movement has *any* chance of surviving it needs to make it's own party and leave the stench of the Democrats far behind.

I can't believe Sanders fell in line and threw his support behind Clinton in 2016 after they rigged the primary - he had the money and could have gotten a lot more (from me and others) if he had just said that he was running as an Independent like he has always done.

it's time for a 3rd party...he had the momentum and blew it. Why? Death threat? He lost a lot of credibility with me when he towed the line and fell in behind Hillary and Company.

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#14 Post by MaxwellG » Mon May 07, 2018 7:49 pm

This 2 Party system for the last 15 years has been a failure, election fraud, can't tell the difference between Dems & Reps as they have the same corporate sponsors...the Koch Brothers are the swing vote.
Sanders had to "endorse" HRC to remain "In the Fold" with the DNC, but HRC did a number on him anyway. Hard to say if he would have beaten Trump but the debates would have been far more interesting with an old Rable-rouser like Bernie.
We've hit the new low, and like an upset stomach it'll take some strong Pepto to make it go away...has our Political System become like that of a bulimic teenager succumbing to the pressures of a superficial culture?
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#15 Post by CDFingers » Mon May 07, 2018 9:34 pm

Here's the latest: the Russians will stash kiddie porn on Dem computers and have their army of bots destroy the party, paving the way for a complete coup.

Has to be true: I read it on the internet.

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#16 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon May 07, 2018 9:56 pm

CDFingers wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 9:34 pm
Here's the latest: the Russians will stash kiddie porn on Dem computers and have their army of bots destroy the party, paving the way for a complete coup.

Has to be true: I read it on the internet.

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Putin's done it before. He had a Russian critic, living in the UK, arrested by Scotland Yard for kiddie porn on his computer. The arrest was reported all over Russia. But SY discovered that the porn HAD been planted on the critic's PC and he was exonerated...but THAT was NOT reported back in Russia!

It's one of his tactics.
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#17 Post by DougMasters » Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am

Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.

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#18 Post by YankeeTarheel » Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am

DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.

The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
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#19 Post by DougMasters » Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 am

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am
DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.

The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
To each their own. But when I vote its because someone has to earn my vote, not because the alternative to one is less worse than the other. People who constantly just vote for least worst are what the two party oligarchy counts on. People like me aren't to blame for Trump as people like me wouldn't have given you the choice of thing one vs thing two. My POV isn't to blame for these people you hate so much winning elections. I have a base line of decency that you have to meet. If you don't meet it I won't vote for you, end of story.
If the establishment has no consequence for screwing you, they will simply continue to screw you. And I won't be apart of that.

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#20 Post by CDFingers » Tue May 08, 2018 11:06 am

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am
DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.

The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
Actually, that's a pretty good post. Were I not in California where there is no chance a Repub would get sufficient presidential votes, I'd vote Dem instead of Green.

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#21 Post by YankeeTarheel » Tue May 08, 2018 11:38 am

DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 am
YankeeTarheel wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am
DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.

The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
To each their own. But when I vote its because someone has to earn my vote, not because the alternative to one is less worse than the other. People who constantly just vote for least worst are what the two party oligarchy counts on. People like me aren't to blame for Trump as people like me wouldn't have given you the choice of thing one vs thing two. My POV isn't to blame for these people you hate so much winning elections. I have a base line of decency that you have to meet. If you don't meet it I won't vote for you, end of story.
If the establishment has no consequence for screwing you, they will simply continue to screw you. And I won't be apart of that.
You know, when you live in a state like New York or Texas, where it's not going to make a damn bit of difference, voting your conscience is fine.

But when it's in a critical state and the unprincipled weeny with some mild crooked tendencies barely loses to the psychopathic predator determined to destroy everyone's rights, there's still a question of "right" vs "wrong", but it's a very different question. Do you REALLY think Hillary Clinton, with all her flaws, would, in any way be 1000th as catastrophic as Trump to EVERYTHING not just Liberals but everyone in America? There's a damn good chance in 2020 we will not be able to vote Trump out of office even if the vast majority of Americans want him gone. Remember: Republicans have NO problem cancelling elections they don't think they will win. Scott Walker just tried it in Wisconsin. Dick Cheney proposed cancelling the 2004 Presidential Election, if you remember.

So MY principle is that our Democratic Republic and our Constitution, must be protected at all costs against the fascists, bigots, and tyrants who want to destroy it, which most certainly includes the current occupant of the White House, "the People's House" or, to him "What a dump!" And if that means "the enemy of my enemy is my ally", then so be it. That's what the word "coalition" means--people of different aims and perspectives, but pointing in the same direction working together.
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#22 Post by harriss » Tue May 08, 2018 11:40 am

I've been a registered non-party voter my entire life. Although I generally vote democratic. The problem with the democratic party is that it never stood up to vehemently denounce the blatant racist tactics of the republicans and Ronnie Raygun. This is the main reason we got the Clinton's in 1992. Now all those chickens have come home to roost in the era of Donny Drumpf.
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#23 Post by DougMasters » Tue May 08, 2018 11:50 am

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 11:38 am
DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 am
YankeeTarheel wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am
DougMasters wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
Yeah the democrats as a party lost me completely. I won't vote for any more of these establishment corporatists. If that means writing people who aren't even running, so as to highlight an example of the type i would vote for then so be it. Call me a wasted vote or a berniebot or whatever. I'm done with these clowns.
I gave up on your POV over 20 years ago.

The last three times there were major movements of people who thought like you, were 1992, 2000, and 2016. The results were Bill Clinton, a moderately competent President--instead of Bush '41, who, for a Republican, was the best since Ford & Eisenhower; George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who destroyed the nation's financial stability, got us into multiple wars, 2 of which are still raging, and undermining fundamental Constitutional rights, and, until now, the WORST President since Johnson (Andrew, not Lyndon); and, of course, the Orange Catastrophic Dictator instead of HRC,simply the President the founders imagined would HAVE to be removed by Impeachment or he'll tear down the entire framework we've lived by since 1787.
To each their own. But when I vote its because someone has to earn my vote, not because the alternative to one is less worse than the other. People who constantly just vote for least worst are what the two party oligarchy counts on. People like me aren't to blame for Trump as people like me wouldn't have given you the choice of thing one vs thing two. My POV isn't to blame for these people you hate so much winning elections. I have a base line of decency that you have to meet. If you don't meet it I won't vote for you, end of story.
If the establishment has no consequence for screwing you, they will simply continue to screw you. And I won't be apart of that.
You know, when you live in a state like New York or Texas, where it's not going to make a damn bit of difference, voting your conscience is fine.

But when it's in a critical state and the unprincipled weeny with some mild crooked tendencies barely loses to the psychopathic predator determined to destroy everyone's rights, there's still a question of "right" vs "wrong", but it's a very different question. Do you REALLY think Hillary Clinton, with all her flaws, would, in any way be 1000th as catastrophic as Trump to EVERYTHING not just Liberals but everyone in America? There's a damn good chance in 2020 we will not be able to vote Trump out of office even if the vast majority of Americans want him gone. Remember: Republicans have NO problem cancelling elections they don't think they will win. Scott Walker just tried it in Wisconsin. Dick Cheney proposed cancelling the 2004 Presidential Election, if you remember.

So MY principle is that our Democratic Republic and our Constitution, must be protected at all costs against the fascists, bigots, and tyrants who want to destroy it, which most certainly includes the current occupant of the White House, "the People's House" or, to him "What a dump!" And if that means "the enemy of my enemy is my ally", then so be it. That's what the word "coalition" means--people of different aims and perspectives, but pointing in the same direction working together.
Voting with one's conscience is not just fine cause you live in a state where the color is already sealed. It's just fine anywhere and everywhere. It isn't a matter of whether HRC is or isn't better or worse than Donny, its simply that neither candidate meet the level of "halfway decent human being" let alone someone I can vote for president. I'm not convinced HRC would be less of a disaster to our nation, our system or our constitution simply because she wasn't Donny. I don't think she has any true real leadership skills, she is a prolific liar, a closet racist which to me isn't any better than an out and out racist.

I get how and why you vote the way you do, and I won't tell you that you're wrong, you got your truth. My truth? I don't and won't vote for people like that. The more we do, the more the oligarchy finds it acceptable to purchase either candidate cause they know we will vote for either one.

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#24 Post by Eris » Tue May 08, 2018 12:54 pm

Trump didn't win because of people who voted third party. Remember: Trump lost the popular vote. Trump won because of the Electoral College giving more power to small states than they otherwise would have. Bush 2 won the same way.

It's never wrong to vote for the person you think is most qualified to win, even if that person has no chance of winning. In fact, if you are voting for someone you don't like just because you think that person has a chance of winning, then I'd say you don't understand how to participate in a Democracy. Democracy can only work if everyone expresses their honest opinion, otherwise you end up with a political situation like we have here in the US today, where people have given up on the electoral process because they feel that their opinion is irrelevant. Keep in mind that even a lot of Trump voters didn't really like him and would have preferred someone else. They too, voted for what they thought was the lesser of two evils. Imagine what it would have been like if they had voted their conscience instead!
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#25 Post by CDFingers » Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 pm

+1 Eris.

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