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#1 Post by eelj » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:25 am

48% almost half of the eligible turned out. Lots of crowing and back slapping going on about it. Seems kind of pathetic to me.

I'll never understand why people fail to take part in either the primaries or midterms. People have been programed to not vote and many who want to can't.

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Re: voter turnout

#2 Post by VodoundaVinci » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:31 am

I have no Party to vote for and none of the folks running represent a fraction of my concerns - it's a waste of time frankly. I still vote relentlessly but most folks I know (who vote or don't) have given up Hope of solving Americas issues at the polls.

Voting is a dead duck - all the candidates are either owned or controlled. I still vote out of habit and tenacity but the people who don't vote have totally lost faith in The System.

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Re: voter turnout

#3 Post by eelj » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 am

VodoundaVinci wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:31 am
I have no Party to vote for and none of the folks running represent a fraction of my concerns - it's a waste of time frankly. I still vote relentlessly but most folks I know (who vote or don't) have given up Hope of solving Americas issues at the polls.

Voting is a dead duck - all the candidates are either owned or controlled. I still vote out of habit and tenacity but the people who don't vote have totally lost faith in The System.

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Not all of the candidates. There are plenty of school board county state and local candidates who are not. Georgia Colorado Nebraska Wisconsin and many others have proven that the secretary of state positions around the country are very important. They're the assholes that purge voters.

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Re: voter turnout

#4 Post by Wino » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:24 am

Anyone not voting is a self absorbed twit IMHO. Candidates owned, bought or controlled probably extends across the political spectrum, but at least they may be MY bitch rather than the Trumpian Turds or right wing mullets destroying all the way, when I vote. People that don't vote, then piss and moan about the results get no relief from me. As frustrating as it is in bright red Texas, I don't miss a chance to vote and have been that way for as long as I can remember. For past 20 years have had few winners, but wouldn't even consider giving up my right to vote.
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#5 Post by YankeeTarheel » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:35 am

Wino wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:24 am
Anyone not voting is a self absorbed twit IMHO. Candidates owned, bought or controlled probably extends across the political spectrum, but at least they may be MY bitch rather than the Trumpian Turds or right wing mullets destroying all the way, when I vote. People that don't vote, then piss and moan about the results get no relief from me. As frustrating as it is in bright red Texas, I don't miss a chance to vote and have been that way for as long as I can remember. For past 20 years have had few winners, but wouldn't even consider giving up my right to vote.
I absolutely agree. The scumbags in the Democratic Party are the only bulwark against the full-blown fascism and feudal slave society dictatorship the ghouls and pimps of the Retrumplican faction are striving for, every hour of every day.

Everyone not supporting them, is actively or passively helping to bring us to that awful totalitarian dictatorship, where 99% of the people live horrible lives on the brink of catastrophe, with no hope, while a few live in unimaginable luxury. Been that way for 10,000 years but we've had a little window away from it for 250 years...and we're letting it close.
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Re: voter turnout

#6 Post by eelj » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:57 am

The only things that need purging are the 2 parties, that can only be done during the primaries and at party meetings. I look at the polling places as diners, I am not happy with the menu.

We have a choice between a donkey shit sandwich and an elephant shit sandwich, shit is shit.

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Re: voter turnout

#7 Post by Wino » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:08 pm

eelj wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:57 am
The only things that need purging are the 2 parties, that can only be done during the primaries and at party meetings. I look at the polling places as diners, I am not happy with the menu.

We have a choice between a donkey shit sandwich and an elephant shit sandwich, shit is shit.
For all intents and purposes, the conservative republican party has been purged and exists in name only - and that was done by voters. I see some of the same happening in the Dem party - by voting. Frankly, there are some shit sandwiches that are better than the other. A viable 3rd or 4th party would be nice, I just don't see it in the tea leafs.
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#8 Post by TrueTexan » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm

eelj wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:25 am
48% almost half of the eligible turned out. Lots of crowing and back slapping going on about it. Seems kind of pathetic to me.

I'll never understand why people fail to take part in either the primaries or midterms. People have been programed to not vote and many who want to can't.
I agree it is pathetic, especially when other countries have almost 100% turnout. As for why the primaries are so bad, so many states have these closed primaries where you have to declare and swear you belong to only one party and make it even harder to switch. Texas has the open party primaries where you go vote at one parties primary the day of the primary election. No declaring and if you want you can go to that parties meeting after polls close. Next election you can go to any parties primary. I also think the party caucus should be trashed and go to a voting poll system. Get rid of the closed primaries and the caucus then the voting will increase. Also make all the primaries on the same day across all states.
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#9 Post by TrueTexan » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:52 pm

Interesting result as the Texas all the large metro areas the Rio Grande Valley and far west Texas went blue the vast majority of the rural areas went red. But these red areas are very conservative Rightwing bigoted racist area.
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#10 Post by highdesert » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:26 pm

I was up in the Pac NW this week. OR public radio said OR voter turnout for Tuesday's election was 62% and one of the WA public stations said they expected the final WA voter turnout to be 70%. IIRC CA voter turnout for the 2018 primary was 22%, at this time it's 40.7% for Tuesday's election.
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#11 Post by eelj » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:18 pm

So far it looks like Mn had the highest percentage with 2nd place going to Or. Wi came in 3rd.

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#12 Post by YankeeTarheel » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:26 pm

Every third party vote is effectively a vote for one of the 2 first parties. Every vote for a Green is a vote for a Trumpist. Despite Hillary being a terrible candidate, every Green vote in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania was a vote for Trump, the FIRST major party candidate to be totally against our Democracy, our Constitution, our Freedom, and for totalitarian dictatorship. Not one other major party candidate since George Washington has been so Anti-American as Putin's Puppet. Clinton wouldn't have actively tried to take down the Constitution, the courts, the right to vote or the institutions of our Democratic Republic. Trump is doing EXACTLY that!

If you voted Green in ANY state where the neither Trump nor Clinton was the runaway winner and your vote actually mattered, YOU voted for Trump! Own it!
If you didn't vote an any state Trump barely won, YOU voted for Trump, too! And you need to own it.
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#13 Post by SubRosa » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:19 pm

I like being a registered independent, that way all the wing nuts burn up their $ sending me tons of fire starter junk.

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#14 Post by eelj » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:28 pm

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:26 pm
Every third party vote is effectively a vote for one of the 2 first parties. Every vote for a Green is a vote for a Trumpist. Despite Hillary being a terrible candidate, every Green vote in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania was a vote for Trump, the FIRST major party candidate to be totally against our Democracy, our Constitution, our Freedom, and for totalitarian dictatorship. Not one other major party candidate since George Washington has been so Anti-American as Putin's Puppet. Clinton wouldn't have actively tried to take down the Constitution, the courts, the right to vote or the institutions of our Democratic Republic. Trump is doing EXACTLY that!

If you voted Green in ANY state where the neither Trump nor Clinton was the runaway winner and your vote actually mattered, YOU voted for Trump! Own it!
If you didn't vote an any state Trump barely won, YOU voted for Trump, too! And you need to own it.
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#15 Post by highdesert » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:17 pm

The fairest system would be Ranked Choice Voting where voters rank all candidates. Third parties don't control any cities, counties or states where they'd have blocks of votes, so they are protests against the major candidates.
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Re: voter turnout

#16 Post by eelj » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:37 pm

highdesert wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:17 pm
The fairest system would be Ranked Choice Voting where voters rank all candidates. Third parties don't control any cities, counties or states where they'd have blocks of votes, so they are protests against the major candidates.
https://www.fairvote.org/rcv#where_is_r ... oting_used
The fairest way is to give people actual choices on the ballot. I would also like to see the viable 3rd party candidates included in the televised debates. Neither party will ever change for the betterment of the constituents if they don't have too.

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#17 Post by CDFingers » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:39 am

Best turn out for a midterm in 104 years. Result?
When Republicans inevitably begin whining that Democrats are being too aggressive in all this oversight, remember how they be-clowned themselves through the Obama years, trying to gin up one phony scandal after another, including mounting seven, yes, seven separate investigations of Benghazi. We can and should have vigorous debates about what is being uncovered, how to understand it and what should be done about it. But the last thing we should do is waste our time arguing about whether there are too many investigations.
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Re: voter turnout

#18 Post by VodoundaVinci » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:32 am

YankeeTarheel wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:26 pm
If you voted Green in ANY state where the neither Trump nor Clinton was the runaway winner and your vote actually mattered, YOU voted for Trump! Own it!
If you didn't vote an any state Trump barely won, YOU voted for Trump, too! And you need to own it.
Bullshit. Sorry...this idea/concept is the reason I won't vote for Democrats and they get no money.

My Conservative/Republican friends all tell me my 3rd party vote was a vote for Hillary and I need to own it.

We get two choices, both of which are owned and controlled by the same Oligarchy and yer telling me I'm with the "Bad Camp" because I vote third party? You are why I will not vote Democrat. You are the problem....you have voted for Democrats that are no better than the Republicans we now have and will vote for them even though they are failures. We are in this mess because we constantly and brainlessly have supported shit candidates because they are not "the other guy". Half of Americans don't/won't vote because we get two choices, elephant shit or donkey shit, and this is unacceptable.

They don't vote because it is now senseless and a waste of time to vote for any one of the two standing parties.

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#19 Post by YankeeTarheel » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:46 am

If you live in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan and you voted Green, you voted for Trump, because in all 3 states the Green vote was greater than the difference between Trump and Clinton.
I've NEVER met a Green voter, or even heard of one who would willingly consider voting for Trump..they are all Left of Clinton--far, FAR Left of Clinton.
Their "Protest vote" gave their state to the man who wants to be dictator.

You live in a nice, safe Democratic state like I do, where you can vote your "conscience" knowing it wasn't going to give the election to the monster.

And if you see no difference between the Monster and Clinton, when you wake one day, not too far in the future, and we "vote" like they "vote" in Russia, you'll see the difference.

Hear me on this: No matter WHAT Trump says about 2A, when he can he WILL find a way to disarm People of Color, people who are not "Christians", and people he deems "Enemies of the People", which means us Liberals. But he won't disarm the KKK, the Nazis, the Proud Boys or any of his other White Supremacist bigots. Because he cannot cement his power if WE have arms.

Pay attention to what he says and does and remember: 99.999% of it Clinton would NEVER consider doing. Nor would any other President.
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#20 Post by CDFingers » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:51 am

How do you respond to shit going crazy? Simple: You keep poking the crazy until their crazy is clear. Trump and the GOP are gonna say that Democrats are "harassing" them by investigating. It won't matter if Democrats are probing the most obvious shit, like voter suppression. The second some official is forced to produce documents, Trump will say how "no man was ever treated worse." It won't matter. Every Democratic bill will be labeled "socialism." Every opposition to a nominee will be called "obstruction." He is going to war. So be in a war posture. Go on the offense (and I talked how to do that Wednesday), ignore the right-wing noise machine, and bring a modicum of sanity back.

Gird yer loins, sweet Americans. If you thought times have been intense already, we're about to barrel into maelstrom.
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#21 Post by eelj » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:53 am

Voter purges have decided elections since 2000, although the gop controlled states have been the biggest violators the dnc has benefited from it as well. It has rarely been brought up because the same voters that will vote blue in the general elections will also vote for democratic socialists in the primaries. I believe the dnc would prefer losing to repugs in a general election than real progressives in the primaries.

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#22 Post by SubRosa » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:03 pm

The word for today is maelstrom. :clap:

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#23 Post by featureless » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:06 pm

eelj wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:53 am
I believe the dnc would prefer losing to repugs in a general election than real progressives in the primaries.
That was certainly the approach in 2016. The DNC needs an enema as badly as the GOP or the NRA. They are beholden to everyone but their voters.

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#24 Post by VodoundaVinci » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:08 pm

The Democrats fixed their Primary and shoved an un electable candidate up our butts and she got beat by the biggest piece of shit we ever imagined. You might think, and others might think, that if we'd just have voted Democrat we'd be ahead of this game. I disagree....I'm not voting for people (and half the folks in America did not as well) who fixed their own Primary in defiance of the very word that defines their party. The Democratic Party set Democratic Process aside and defied their voter base and forced a candidate that could not (and did not) win.

And you want me to support them no matter what? Nope. We will never get a third/fourth viable party if someone doesn't vote for them. No money/no votes for Democrats until they admit they cheated and get rid of Clinton, Pelosi, and the anti gun/anti Democratic Process mission.

We want to know why half of America does not vote? Look no further than the candidates offered by the Democrats.

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Re: voter turnout

#25 Post by eelj » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:11 pm

Polling has shown that greens tend to not vote at all unless they have a green candidate to vote for. The same with libertarians. In my state third parties have a very rich history. Even the state democratic party is part of that history being the result of the merger back in the 40s with the Farmer Labor party.

Maybe if the 2 party duopoly cared more about their constituents there wouldn't be so many independent voters.

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