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Regardless of what alt-right trolls like Kyle S. Reyes and Donald Trump say, the "fear" of violence against the "other" is very real. It is, also, far more likely than violence from international terrorists or MS-13. As the country becomes more diverse, these fits of rage were expected.
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K9s wrote:
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Regardless of what alt-right trolls like Kyle S. Reyes and Donald Trump say, the "fear" of violence against the "other" is very real. It is, also, far more likely than violence from international terrorists or MS-13. As the country becomes more diverse, these fits of rage were expected.
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Laquisha Jones pleaded guilty to elder abuse for her attack on Rodolfo Rodriguez.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office says Laquisha Jones pleaded no contest to elder abuse Thursday. She faces up to 15 years in prison at her sentencing Feb. 28.

Rodolfo Rodriguez was repeatedly beaten in the face with a brick on July 4 while taking a walk in the unincorporated Willowbrook area.

A witness recorded video of Rodriguez as he sat dazed, his face bloodied. The witness, Misbel Borjas, also took a photo of a woman with a brick in her hand.

Borjas says Jones yelled at him: “Go back to your country.”

The case wasn’t prosecuted as a hate crime.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cal ... k-60041885

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It will only get worse until LE takes it seriously.
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HOW do we convince fellow Liberals of the value of arming themselves?
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YankeeTarheel wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 pm
HOW do we convince fellow Liberals of the value of arming themselves?
We don't. They are convinced that they can make things better by disarming conservatives. Quite frankly I think it would take open warfare to change their minds.

But nonetheless, we must try. The only thing I can suggest is to be a gun instructor and offer "shoot with a liberal" classes to try and get the more open minded people to come out and see what guns are really about. I'd like to do that myself, but even if I were a certified instructor, I'd have no place to hold classes.
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YankeeTarheel wrote:
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HOW do we convince fellow Liberals of the value of arming themselves?
It is counterintuitive to many of them. You cannot convince MAGA hatters to ditch Trump, either. They either figure it out themselves or they do not.

The best way to convince them is to take them to the range.
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LA Sheriff's detectives arrested a women in connection with the assault on 91 year old Rodolfo Rodriguez.
Authorities have arrested a woman alleged to be involved in the assault of a 91-year-old man on the Fourth of July. Detectives arrested Laquisha Jones at 10 p.m. Tuesday, near 60th Street and Crenshaw Avenue, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. Jones, 30, was booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. Rodolfo Rodriguez had gone out for a walk in Willowbrook about 7 p.m. on July 4 when he was assaulted, according to a GoFundMe campaign set up by his family. Rodriguez has a broken cheekbone and bruises on his face.

His family said that a woman confronted Rodriguez, after he reportedly bumped into a little girl who was with her. Rodriguez was then struck from behind and “as he fell on the ground, he blacked out,” according to sheriff’s Det. Matt Luna. Misbel Borjas, who lives near Rodriguez, was passing by in a car when she saw Rodriguez walking and trying to pass a woman and a girl. Then, Borjas said, she saw the woman push Rodriguez and start to hit him with a block of cement. “She was yelling at him, ‘Go back to your country,’ or ‘Go back to Mexico,’” Borjas recalled. “It was racist.”

Rodriguez’s daughter, Aurelia Rodriguez, said her father recalls the woman screaming at him, but he didn’t understand what she was saying because he doesn’t speak or understand English. Borjas was able to snap a photo of the woman, who began to walk away. Borjas said as she was on the phone with 911, a few men returned to assault Rodriguez while he was on the ground. Investigators are still determining if there are more people involved, according to the Sheriff’s Department. The investigation is ongoing and a motive for the assault “is unknown at this time,” the Sheriff’s Department said. A weapon has not been located.

Rodriguez was released from the hospital and has been recovering at home with his family. Over the last few days, he has been up and walking around, Aurelia Rodriguez said. Her father, who is originally from Michoacán, Mexico, is a lawful permanent resident. In the evenings, Rodriguez likes to walk to a nearby park and sit on the benches, in his long-settled routine in the neighborhood. Rodriguez had planned to visit family in Mexico at the end of the week, but the trip has been canceled, his daughter said. n “We just ask that there’s justice,” Aurelia Rodriguez said. “A judge is going to decide what she will pay for what she did. I hope people know that they can’t just hit someone, insult someone, threaten someone — that if someone does something like this, they’re going to pay for it.”

The Sheriff’s Department obtained an arrest and search warrant for Jones. “Due to working every angle and lead in the case, it ultimately resulted in the arrest,” the Sheriff’s Department said in a statement. Jones is being held in lieu of $200,000 bail. Anyone with information about the incident is asked to contact the department’s Homicide Bureau at (323) 890-5500. “We want to thank the local residents for all of their kindness and support while Mr. Rodriguez recovers,” the Sheriff’s Department said.
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It's just a way to divide and conquer. Unfortunately, it works.
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It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.

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JohnNewell wrote:
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It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Intel gatherers?
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I hang on a couple of other "normal" gun discussion sites populated by the "normal" Conservative, NRA member, Republican voting, Trump-a-Holic gun owners and have noticed a disturbing trend lately as Trump is failing to get anything done and The Left is turning up the heat on 2A limitations. It seems now as if anyone who does not agree with building The Wall, does not vote Republican, or leans Left in *any* way is automatically now a Communist. There are no shades of Grey, no levels or degrees. Yer either a Trump loving Republican "hands off my 2A rights" God fearing Christian gun owner or you are a Communist and need to be purged.

Scary time in America.

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VodoundaVinci wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:49 pm
I hang on a couple of other "normal" gun discussion sites populated by the "normal" Conservative, NRA member, Republican voting, Trump-a-Holic gun owners and have noticed a disturbing trend lately as Trump is failing to get anything done and The Left is turning up the heat on 2A limitations. It seems now as if anyone who does not agree with building The Wall, does not vote Republican, or leans Left in *any* way is automatically now a Communist. There are no shades of Grey, no levels or degrees. Yer either a Trump loving Republican "hands off my 2A rights" God fearing Christian gun owner or you are a Communist and need to be purged.

Scary time in America.

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It's been that way for years. I remember in the early 80's my parents said that the Democrats were communists.
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What’s wrong with being a communist?
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Mustang wrote:
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Laquisha Jones pleaded guilty to elder abuse for her attack on Rodolfo Rodriguez.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office says Laquisha Jones pleaded no contest to elder abuse Thursday. She faces up to 15 years in prison at her sentencing Feb. 28.

Rodolfo Rodriguez was repeatedly beaten in the face with a brick on July 4 while taking a walk in the unincorporated Willowbrook area.

A witness recorded video of Rodriguez as he sat dazed, his face bloodied. The witness, Misbel Borjas, also took a photo of a woman with a brick in her hand.

Borjas says Jones yelled at him: “Go back to your country.”

The case wasn’t prosecuted as a hate crime.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cal ... k-60041885
I’m not sure what this has to do with the thread in general, but this is just plain sad.
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What’s wrong with being a communist?
Depends on what you mean by "communist". If you mean Gorbachev style communist there's not really anything wrong with it. If you mean Stalin style communist there's a lot wrong with it.
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JohnNewell wrote:
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It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Where does the intel go and to what purpose? I get defending ourselves from right wing extremists, but I don’t see any organization or entity that could be used to gather such sensitive information and hold it.
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Considering that the vast majority of white people in Georgia (and almost no one else) voted for the far-right candidates, I don't need a lot of "intel" to tell me who to watch out for. LOL

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Eris wrote:
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What’s wrong with being a communist?
Depends on what you mean by "communist". If you mean Gorbachev style communist there's not really anything wrong with it. If you mean Stalin style communist there's a lot wrong with it.
Authoritarians are a threat regardless of the political affiliation. It has nothing to do with communism or it’s cousin socialism.
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sikacz wrote:
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Eris wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:08 pm
sikacz wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:01 pm
What’s wrong with being a communist?
Depends on what you mean by "communist". If you mean Gorbachev style communist there's not really anything wrong with it. If you mean Stalin style communist there's a lot wrong with it.
Authoritarians are a threat regardless of the political affiliation. It has nothing to do with communism or it’s cousin socialism.
The uber Right Wingers I'm hearing associate *everything* Liberal with Stalin style Communism. Any idea that is Social in nature automatically means that the speaker is pro murder/starvation and hell bent on bringing this style of Communism to America. And, no, it has not always been like this. Been hanging on these sites for years or sites like them and I have never seen such out and out verbiage that any one with a Liberal/Social leaning is a murdering Communist and needs to be murdered before they gain any more credibility. It's escalating in a very unwholesome way. Poo Poo it at your peril.

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VodoundaVinci wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:58 am

The uber Right Wingers I'm hearing associate *everything* Liberal with Stalin style Communism. Any idea that is Social in nature automatically means that the speaker is pro murder/starvation and hell bent on bringing this style of Communism to America. And, no, it has not always been like this. Been hanging on these sites for years or sites like them and I have never seen such out and out verbiage that any one with a Liberal/Social leaning is a murdering Communist and needs to be murdered before they gain any more credibility. It's escalating in a very unwholesome way. Poo Poo it at your peril.

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K9s wrote:
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JohnNewell wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:12 pm
It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Intel gatherers?

The heart of any activist activity is knowing your enemy, and knowing how to efficiently target them and how to efficiently use your own resources. Most of the really radical Trumpers are neo-nazis and simply knowing who they are and exposing them to family and employers effectively takes them out of the battle.

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sikacz wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:12 pm
JohnNewell wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:12 pm
It's time to get organized both as intel gatherers as well as left-leaning people who can defend themselves.
Where does the intel go and to what purpose? I get defending ourselves from right wing extremists, but I don’t see any organization or entity that could be used to gather such sensitive information and hold it.


It exists. There are groups out there watching the far right and giving that intel to local activists. Most serious Trumpers are indeed neo-Nazis, and there are plenty of Trump supporters that are pretty vocal that Mussolini or Hitler (or more obscurely Pinochet) were right in the suppression of left-leaning ideas and murders of those on the left. Revealing those people to their families and employers is a first step.

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Oooohhhh....I like that. Outing these types to their close associates as Extremists might actually be effective. It's the ones I am hearing lately that are violently anti Antifa (that would mean pro Fascist - if yer against/opposing people who oppose Fascism then you'd be pro Fascism, right?) laugh in yer face when you ask them if they are Fascists. No, of course not...Fascists are Leftists/Socialists/Democrats, you idiot! Hitler was a Socialist...he banned guns as all Socialists do and embarked on a regime of propaganda and hate just like all Socialists do and anyone who opposed him was shouted down and hauled off to a camp. That's what Leftists and Communists and Socialists do.

Just like their idol, Trump, they are rewriting history. They do not see nor will they realize that Fascism and the Nazi's were anti Socialism, ant Communism, and a product of uber/ultra right wing Nationalism. Fascists and Nazis are Socialists and a Left Wing phenomenon. :confused:

They have never apparently read a history book. It's pretty scary to me to try and enlighten or inform people this angry and stupid. There is no way to reach/discuss with a person who insists that the sky is purple and the Earth is flat and that God made the world in 7 days and that the whole shebang is 6000 some odd years old. Fascists and Nazis are Socialists and Communists and a Left Wing phenomenon and anyone Left leaning is therefor a threat and needs purged to stop them from reforming America into the same plane as Nazi Germany or Soviet/Stalin Communism. :see_stars:

I'm sad to say I'm just keeping my mouth shut and hoping the first wave runs past me when this all finally goes violent.

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Be honest - most right wingers wouldn't know a communist, fascist, nazi, socialist is if it bit them on their nether parts. Reading their stupid regurgitated post is all it takes to know they are clueless.
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