Georgia governor signs ‘heartbeat bill,’ giving the state one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the nation

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Georgia governor signs ‘heartbeat bill,’ giving the state one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the nation

#1 Post by K9s » Tue May 07, 2019 10:46 am

Gov. Brian Kemp (R) signed the bill, which would prohibit the termination of a pregnancy after a "fetal heartbeat" is detected — as early as six weeks, before many women know they’re pregnant.
The bill attracted national attention and prompted fierce protests from abortion rights advocates, who have threatened legal action.
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#2 Post by featureless » Tue May 07, 2019 11:10 am

Well, fuck Brian Kemp.

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#3 Post by TrueTexan » Tue May 07, 2019 1:09 pm

What can you expect from Georgia leaders when the voters elect people like this.
small Georgia town became big news on Monday when news broke its mayor had refused to consider the application of a Black candidate as city administrator, despite her admitting he was qualified. Her reason: “Because he is Black.”

Outrage continued as a city councilman defended the mayor.

“I’m a Christian and my Christian beliefs are you don’t do interracial marriage. That’s the way I was brought up and that’s the way I believe,” Hoschton City Councilman Jim Cleveland proudly admitted. He also said it makes his “blood boil” when he sees Black and white people together.

Monday evening Hoschton’s city council convened, led by the embattled mayor, in a brief meeting that was open to the public. The racism of two of the town’s top leaders was on the agenda and was not discussed.

Residents called for Mayor Theresa Kenerly and City Councilman Jim Cleveland to resign, as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

“You do not represent our community and I didn’t move here for that,” said Shantwan Austin, who the AJC described as “a black man who moved to Hoschton with his family two years ago.”
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#4 Post by K9s » Tue May 07, 2019 2:25 pm

You cannot blame voters when the Sec of State acts like he runs a banana republic and takes over the government. The list of grievances is too long to list here again. Voter suppression. Thousands of missing votes for Lt Gov. Mismanagement. Etc.

That is like blaming Texans for Ted Cruz.
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#5 Post by senorgrand » Tue May 07, 2019 2:36 pm

Chip, chip, chip, chip...pretty soon our rights will be a chunk of rubble.
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#6 Post by K9s » Tue May 07, 2019 2:49 pm

senorgrand wrote:
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Chip, chip, chip, chip...pretty soon our rights will be a chunk of rubble.
And it starts with the most vulnerable: Immigrants, prisoners, and the poor.
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#7 Post by senorgrand » Tue May 07, 2019 2:55 pm

This is what happens when majorities get to take away rights of minorities and the Courts do nothing.
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#8 Post by YankeeTarheel » Tue May 07, 2019 2:55 pm

I keep telling people: Dems threaten our 2A rights, Republicans threaten all the others. And once they take away all the others, only THEIR people, the "very fine people" will be allowed to have guns.
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#9 Post by senorgrand » Tue May 07, 2019 3:03 pm

Authoritarians gonna authoritate...
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#10 Post by Bisbee » Tue May 07, 2019 3:32 pm

Be interesting if an alternative bill be introduced wherein a “human fetus” is considered a mass of cells within the womb of the mother while a “human being” is one that could survive outside the mother’s womb. Seriously, there are cultures in the world that traditionally do not name children under the age of three because they are so prone to dying before reaching that age.
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#11 Post by dougb » Tue May 07, 2019 3:35 pm

Be nice if the GOP showed some concern for children-I mean outside of building concentration camps for them.
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#12 Post by featureless » Tue May 07, 2019 3:49 pm

dougb wrote:
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Be nice if the GOP showed some concern for children-I mean outside of building concentration camps for them.
Ouch! :lol:

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#13 Post by TrueTexan » Tue May 07, 2019 3:50 pm

dougb wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 3:35 pm
Be nice if the GOP showed some concern for children-I mean outside of building concentration camps for them.
But those aren’t “Mericans Those are the other ones. :sarcasm:

Many of those supporting bills like this have also supported the idea of sterilization of women on government assistance, especially minority women.

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#14 Post by K9s » Tue May 07, 2019 4:00 pm

Yes, but they sure did scream when the new progressive legislators in GA wanted to tack on laws about male body parts. That was actually hilarious to see.
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#15 Post by TrueTexan » Tue May 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Georgia Legislative Lizards are have been real busy. Now it is teaching the Bible in Public Schools. The Reptilian Governor signed it.
Georgia Republican Governor Brian Kemp has signed into law a bill that will allow the teaching of the New and Old Testaments of the Bible in public schools. SB 83, as passed, says it’s designed to teach “knowledge of biblical content, characters, poetry, and narratives that are prerequisites to understanding contemporary society and culture, including literature, art, music, mores, oratory, and public policy.”

It’s clear the bill’s authors believe America is based on the Christian Bible, given the inclusion of “public policy” in the legislation’s text.

But earlier drafts of the bill, which appear to go back at least as far as 2007, expose a more insidious intent.

“The purpose of such courses shall be to accommodate the rights and desires of those teachers and students who wish to teach and study the Old and New Testaments,” a portion of the bill’s now struck language reads.

The bill does caution that the courses must be “taught in an objective and nondevotional manner with no attempt made to indoctrinate students as to either the truth or falsity of the biblical materials or texts from other religious or cultural traditions.”

But another section of the bill opens the door wide for local school boards to teach the Bible as they please, “provided, however, that no state funds” are used for those classes.

SB 83 makes these classes elective.

Meanwhile, cvil rights groups advocating for separation of church and state opposed the bill.

“Our public schools should not act like Sunday schools, but that’s exactly what this bill invites,” Americans United warned earlier this year.

And they warn SB 83 is part of a larger religious attack on America:
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With the new members on the SCOTUS we just might see this and other similar laws upheld.
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#16 Post by highdesert » Thu May 09, 2019 1:21 pm

OH Rep Gov Mike DeWine signed a similar bill into law in April and the ACLU is filing a lawsuit against it, I'd expect the same for the GA law. Looks like they are setting the stage for a SCOTUS case, feeling that Kavanaugh gives them enough votes may be to overturn Roe vs Wade.
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#17 Post by K9s » Thu May 09, 2019 1:30 pm

highdesert wrote:
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OH Rep Gov Mike DeWine signed a similar bill into law in April and the ACLU is filing a lawsuit against it, I'd expect the same for the GA law. Looks like they are setting the stage for a SCOTUS case, feeling that Kavanaugh gives them enough votes may be to overturn Roe vs Wade.
They are all trying to out-Trump each other. Alabama's law says 99 years in prison. Georgia's law includes capital punishment or life in prison.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

"The measure, HB 481, is the most extreme abortion ban in the country—not just because it would impose severe limitations on women’s reproductive rights, but also because it would subject women who get illegal abortions to life imprisonment and the death penalty."
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#18 Post by dougb » Thu May 09, 2019 1:52 pm

Use a money argument for the GOP. You ban abortion, you get to pay for the child right through college.
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#19 Post by highdesert » Thu May 09, 2019 1:54 pm

K9s wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:30 pm
highdesert wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:21 pm
OH Rep Gov Mike DeWine signed a similar bill into law in April and the ACLU is filing a lawsuit against it, I'd expect the same for the GA law. Looks like they are setting the stage for a SCOTUS case, feeling that Kavanaugh gives them enough votes may be to overturn Roe vs Wade.
They are all trying to out-Trump each other. Alabama's law says 99 years in prison. Georgia's law includes capital punishment or life in prison.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rison.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

"The measure, HB 481, is the most extreme abortion ban in the country—not just because it would impose severe limitations on women’s reproductive rights, but also because it would subject women who get illegal abortions to life imprisonment and the death penalty."
I won't second guess SCOTUS, but they are just placating loud members of the base who are anti-abortion - Evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Pass a law knowing that it will be overturned in federal courts, then rage against activist judges.
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#20 Post by K9s » Thu May 09, 2019 2:06 pm

dougb wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:52 pm
Use a money argument for the GOP. You ban abortion, you get to pay for the child right through college.
GOP doesn't care because they aren't paying for that.

Dems tried something similar in GA regarding adding child support starting from the first heartbeat. GOP liked that idea because it helps prove that these are actually children, not fetuses.
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#21 Post by CDFingers » Fri May 10, 2019 9:09 am

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#22 Post by YankeeTarheel » Fri May 10, 2019 9:12 am

2A or the right of a woman to own her body.

That is now the binary choice.
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YankeeTarheel wrote:
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2A or the right of a woman to own her body.

That is now the binary choice.
Wrong. The 4th Amendment is equally strong as the 2nd. We get both with the proper government. Don't fall for their crap.

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#24 Post by K9s » Fri May 10, 2019 2:52 pm

CDFingers wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 am
YankeeTarheel wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:12 am
2A or the right of a woman to own her body.

That is now the binary choice.
Wrong. The 4th Amendment is equally strong as the 2nd. We get both with the proper government. Don't fall for their crap.

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I also think that is choice being presented to us. Enough people believe it to be true, so it will become the alternatives.

On the good side, Roe still exists and the 2A still exists. Courts will have a say either way.
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#25 Post by kronkmusic » Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm

Multiple film and television production companies are already leaving the state. Film and TV production has made Georgia tens of billions of dollars over the last decade and the industry employs almost 100,000 people in the state. These companies are serious, I've worked in the music business and around the film and TV businesses for my entire career, and I can tell you these people are not messing around, they will absolutely pack up their billions of dollars and leave town over this, and it's gonna do a real number on Georgia's economy.

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