US Police invade Venezuela's embassy

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US Police invade Venezuela's embassy

#1 Post by CDFingers » Thu May 16, 2019 10:13 pm

He's a thug. Pure and simple. He does it because he can--no one would stop him.
United States security forces have broken into the Venezuela embassy in Washington Thursday and have taken the four remaining members of the Protection Collective, Code Pink organization announced. The announcement was confirmed by the activists' lawyer, Mara Verheyden-Hilliard.

Such action violates several articles of the Vienna Convention and breaks international law.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/US- ... content=10

At a certain moment, the world will get sick of him. Not good for the rest of us.

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#2 Post by Bisbee » Fri May 17, 2019 5:04 am

Are there still Americans in our embassy in Caracas?..
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#3 Post by highdesert » Fri May 17, 2019 7:49 am

After about 36 days inside the Venezuelan Embassy, activists on Thursday ran out of time. Federal law enforcement officers entered the embassy about 9 a.m. at the behest of Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó to remove and arrest the final four demonstrators inside, ending a weeks-long standoff between protesters on opposite sides of the South American country’s political crisis.

The Venezuelan Embassy in Washington’s Georgetown neighborhood has been the site of dueling protests between backers of embattled President Nicolás Maduro and supporters of Guaidó, who has been recognized by the United States and about 50 other nations as the country’s interim president. Carlos Vecchio, the Guaidó-appointed ambassador recognized by the U.S. government, said his diplomatic mission would take control of the embassy Thursday evening. “The usurpation has ended,” he said in a statement in Spanish. “It has taken time and effort, but we have complied with the Venezuelan people. Infinite thanks to the Venezuelan diaspora for their sacrifice. Next liberation: Venezuela.”

Earlier this week, Vecchio requested U.S. assistance in removing activists living inside the embassy and gave federal law enforcement officers permission to enter, a State Department spokesman said. U.S. Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey later issued a warrant for the demonstrators’ arrests.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/po ... edirect=on

Officially the US recognizes Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela, not Nicolas Maduro.
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#4 Post by Mustang » Fri May 17, 2019 10:42 am

highdesert wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 7:49 am


Officially the US recognizes Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela, not Nicolas Maduro.
As do almost all European and South American nations.

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#5 Post by Bisbee » Fri May 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Which is problematic if the opposition leader does not actually hold office or lead the country.

Consider this: how did the US’s support and recognition of the Kuomintang (Nationalists -Republic of China) who fled to Taiwan fare against Chairman Mao establishing the People’s Republic of China? In the end it didn’t mean anything when the reigns of China was actually held by the Communist government. In this case the US is supporting a regime change in Venezuela. Which is nothing new except it isn’t working and the world’s eyes (and Russia?) are preventing the outright use of arms by the CIA a la the 1980’s. But moving into the Venezuelan Embassy because the so-called “US recognized government” asked for it smacks of Bannana Republic and not a little desperation after the so-called government called for a mass uprising that failed to materialize. If the US had confidence in their regime change has a snowball’s chance in Venezuela, they’d do better to patiently wait for the results rather than steamrolling over international treaties which now appears an crass act of bullying to the world.

I mean how does the US look if Maduro survives this challenge and asks for his embassy back? -Right now that looks pretty darn likely.
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#6 Post by highdesert » Sat May 18, 2019 10:21 am

A country's foreign policy doesn't have to be based on reality, it's what their politicians determine to be most expedient. All countries do it. US recognition of the Republic of China (Taiwan) as representing all of China is a good example, it was the Cold War and it involved US opposition to communism around the world. Rabid anti-communist Richard Nixon finally reversed it when he traveled to China.
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#7 Post by Mustang » Sat May 18, 2019 6:16 pm

Bisbee wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:33 pm
Which is problematic if the opposition leader does not actually hold office or lead the country.

But moving into the Venezuelan Embassy because the so-called “US recognized government” asked for it smacks of Bannana Republic and not a little desperation after the so-called government called for a mass uprising that failed to materialize. If the US had confidence in their regime change has a snowball’s chance in Venezuela, they’d do better to patiently wait for the results rather than steamrolling over international treaties which now appears an crass act of bullying to the world.

I mean how does the US look if Maduro survives this challenge and asks for his embassy back? -Right now that looks pretty darn likely.
The fact is that Maduro's US diplomatic team left the US almost a month ago. The US now recognizes the Guaido government, which requested US assistance. C.D.'s quote from Telesur ( a "news organization" headquartered in Caracas and supported primarily by the Maduro government) notwithstanding, Code Pink, et al, have occupied the Venezuelan embassy with dubious authority. No international law experts consulted by Politoco agreed that Code Pink's continued occupation of the the Venezuelan Embassy was protected by International law. Nor did any agree that evicting them violated international law.
But legal experts say none of this means the activists have a right to occupy the embassy. Yes, the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations states that the premises of an embassy are “inviolable,” and that “agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.” But legal experts consulted by Politico Magazine, including some who have advised the State Department and the United Nations on legal issues, are highly skeptical that the embassy collective currently living there is protected by international law.

Ashley Deeks, a law professor at the University of Virginia and a member of the State Department’s advisory committee on international law, says that in this case the head of state—according to Trump—is Guaidó, and so his appointees “can actually give consent to the U.S. government to go into the Venezuelan Embassy and potentially remove uninvited guests.” And in this case, she said, “the U.S. government gets to decide, since they are a state, and the Code Pink protesters are not.” In an email, a State Department official clarified the department’s view that the Guaidó-led government has legal authority over the embassy and that it “considers any unauthorized individuals on the property to be trespassers.”

At least three other legal experts, including two former State Department lawyers, agreed with that characterization in interviews with Politico Magazine...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ido-226803

So it does not seem to me that there is much "Banana Republicanism" in the eviction of the activists.

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