Impeachments compared (interesting article)

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Impeachments compared (interesting article)

#1 Post by CDFingers » Sat May 18, 2019 9:14 am

Trump’s popularity is the worst and weakest of any president ever recorded since the beginning of polls charting presidential approval ratings. He is the most consistently unpopular president in modern recorded history. Trump is the only president never to hit 50 percent approval. Recent events involving Attorney General William Barr and Trump’s stonewalling of Congress’ constitutional mandate for executive oversight, paralleling the Nixon dynamic, are damaging the president further, driving his numbers deeper into his base, like Nixon under siege. There is, however, no meaningful comparison whatsoever to the Clinton case.

In Nixon’s case the charges of impeachment described the most serious to that point in American history ever brought against a president: subversion of democracy, bribery, and obstruction of justice. Forty administration officials, campaign advisers and close associates of Nixon involved in Watergate were indicted or convicted.

In Clinton’s case the charges of impeachment were transparently partisan in origin, twisted and insubstantial, and consistently rejected by the vast majority of the public. Not a single White House official or close associate involved in these events was indicted—not one.

In Trump’s case over 800 former federal prosecutors stated that if he were not a sitting president he would be indicted for obstruction of justice on multiple felony charges. Already seven Trump White House officials, campaign advisers and close associates have been indicted or convicted. His personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading the public defense of the president, is directly implicated by name in the Mueller Report for potential involvement in witness tampering.
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Trump proceeds from a much weaker position than Nixon. He depends entirely on his stonewalling. He hangs by a thread.
https://www.justsecurity.org/64057/an-o ... peachment/

Madame Speaker, lay the groundwork, dig a hole, and shovel this effluent into it and bury it. It smells so bad. We want it gone.

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Re: Impeachments compared (interesting article)

#2 Post by highdesert » Sun May 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Times were very different, Watergate was a drip-drip-drip of stories everyday. It was on the front page of WaPo (Woodward and Bernstein), NYT and other major newspapers and television. Chief US District Judge John J Sirica a Republican was digging and digging for the truth, along with Congressional committees. It was a shock to everyone that an organized criminal enterprise was run from the WH. By the time of Clinton's impeachment, it was plain politics by Republicans who saw Nixon as a victim who got pushed out of office by a conspiracy of major media and the Democrats. Clinton's impeachment was payback for Nixon and people saw it as partisan. Yes his approval rating didn't move much and he kept on doing his job. Nixon got very paranoid it was Fortress WH and yes his popularity did go into the 20s. Trump's approval is much higher than Nixon's and impeachment would likely be viewed as partisan like Clinton's.
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#3 Post by CDFingers » Sun May 19, 2019 9:25 pm

An organized criminal enterprise is once again being run from the White House.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice. The reports were never filed with the government.

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Ms. McFadden, a longtime anti-money laundering specialist in Deutsche Bank’s Jacksonville office, said she had reviewed the transactions and found that money had moved from Kushner Companies to Russian individuals. She concluded that the transactions should be reported to the government — in part because federal regulators had ordered Deutsche Bank, which had been caught laundering billions of dollars for Russians, to toughen its scrutiny of potentially illegal transactions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/busi ... &smtyp=cur

Nonetheless, the Russia hack into Florida--and likely other states--shines a spotlight on Stalin's "It only matters who counts the votes, not who votes."

The hack might ensure reelection, so we have to arrest him and remove him.

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