Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48710432
A Trump administration lawyer has disputed in court whether detained migrant children are entitled to toothbrushes and soap.

The Department of Justice argued the government was adhering to a landmark ruling requiring migrants to be kept in "safe and sanitary" facilities.

The attorney pointed out the law did not mention soap.

But a panel of judges in California questioned the rationale, saying the children were sleeping on concrete.


In July 2017, US District Judge Dolly Gee found the Trump administration had breached the 1997 Flores agreement by not providing migrant children with appropriate food or hygienic supplies, housing them in cold facilities without beds.

The agreement states that immigrant children cannot be held for more than 20 days and must be provided with food, water, emergency medical care and toilets.

But Department of Justice lawyer Sarah Fabian argued on Tuesday that the federal government had not violated Flores.

Ms Fabian maintained in a Ninth Circuit court in San Francisco that the government had fulfilled the Flores agreement because it did not specifically list items such as soap or toothbrushes.

"One has to assume it was left that way and not enumerated by the parties because either the parties couldn't reach agreement on how to enumerate that or it was left to the agencies to determine," she said, Courthouse News reported.

"These are the challenges of interpreting a very old agreement."

Ms Fabian argued that children in shorter-term immigration detention did not require soap or toothbrushes.

Circuit Judge William Fletcher questioned the government's reasoning.

"Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you've got an aluminium foil blanket?"

He added that it was "inconceivable" that the government would describe those conditions as "safe and sanitary".

Fellow Judge A Wallace Tashima remarked: "It's within everybody's common understanding that if you don't have a toothbrush, you don't have soap, you don't have a blanket, those are not safe and sanitary [conditions]."

Ms Fabian agreed "there's fair reason to find that those things may be part of safe and sanitary" conditions, but said the Flores agreement was "vague".
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Separating children from their parents has been a disaster, it does sound like something Stephen Miller would have devised. And to reunite them, parents and children have to be DNA tested and we pay for it. Hope the panel of the 9th Circuit comes to a quick decision, I don't trust the feds or their contractors, state children's services should be brought in to oversee unaccompanied children.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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highdesert wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:01 am Separating children from their parents has been a disaster, it does sound like something Stephen Miller would have devised. And to reunite them, parents and children have to be DNA tested and we pay for it. Hope the panel of the 9th Circuit comes to a quick decision, I don't trust the feds or their contractors, state children's services should be brought in to oversee unaccompanied children.
Stephen Miller hasn't got a new idea in his pinhead. These are the same tactics used by his hero in Nazi Germany. Surprised he hasn't convinced Trump to give an executive order for all hispanic immigrants to sew a yellow Sombrero patch to their out garments. Must be an official patch only available from Trumps MAGA store.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Not just Miller. DJT is surrounded by Stalinist-style propagandists who push his agenda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -my-plans/

President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday appeared to stand by his plans to establish a registry for Muslims and temporarily ban Muslim immigrants from the United States.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-sur ... m-registry

Carl Higbie, a Donald Trump surrogate and head of the Trump-backing super PAC Great America, rationalized a controversial proposal for a Muslim registry by citing Japanese internment camps during World War II. In an interview with Megyn Kelly on Fox News on Wednesday night, Higbie argued that if internment camps of Japanese Americans were once acceptable, a Muslim registry wouldn’t be so different. “It is legal, they say it will hold constitutional muster. I know the ACLU is going to challenge it, but I think it will pass,” he said. “And we’ve done it with Iran back—back a while ago, we did it during World War II with the Japanese, which, call it what you will it may be wrong,” he said, before Kelly jumped in and asked him if he was seriously suggesting the country return to the days of internment camps. Higbie countered that he was simply saying “the president needs to protect America first.” The former Navy SEAL said if protecting America “means having people that are not protected under our Constitution, have some sort of registry so we can understand—until we can identify the true threat and where it’s coming from, I support it.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... gainst-the

Evangelist, “prosperity” preacher and Trump spiritual adviser Paula White opened Trump’s re-election launch rally in Orlando on Tuesday night with a prayer that labeled Trump’s opponents “demonic” and urged God to defeat them and give Trump victory “in the name of Jesus.”
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Trump’s “Christian” MiniMe, Mike Pence, is saying the reason the children don’t have soap or toothbrushes is because of the Dems.
Children in immigrant detention centers are reportedly going without basic supplies like soap and toothbrushes but Vice President Mike Pence insisted on Sunday that it’s the fault of Congress.

During an interview on CNN, host Jake Tapper asked the vice president to “talk about the kids” who have been detained for crossing the border.

“Last week, legal advocates reported there are horrific conditions for children at the border,” Tapper said, pointing to reports that say children have gone without soap, toothbrushes and other items needed for basic hygiene.

“The administration was actually arguing in court this week that the administration should not be required to give soap or toothbrushes or showers to children detained at the border,” Tapper added. “Aren’t toothbrushes and blankets and medicine and basic conditions for kids, aren’t they a part of how the United States of America — the Trump administration — treats children?”

“Well, of course they are, Jake,” Pence replied with a shake of his head. “It’s one of the reasons we ask for more bed space.”

The vice president, who is an evangelical Christian, argued that the Trump administration will not give soap to detained immigrant children because of Congress.

“Democrats in Congress refused to expand the bed space and the capacity for us to detain people,” Pence complained.

“This is going on right now,” Tapper pointed out.

“It’s one of the reasons we continue to call on Congress to give DHS Customs and Border Protections additional resources at the border,” Pence said.

“This is the wealthiest nation in the world,” Tapper observed. “We have money to give toothpaste and soap and blankets to these kids in El Paso County right now.”

Pence agreed that the money is there to provide the children basic supplies.

“So why aren’t we?” Tapper asked.

“My point is,” Pence laughed. “It’s all apart of the appropriations process. Congress needs to provide additional support to deal with the crisis at our southern border.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/devout ... ats-fault/

The solution is simple, the Administration wants more money for the children, Take all funding for Trump’s golf trips and the money the Feds spend at his properties and apply that to basic living expenses for the Kids. Keep fat ass at the White House unless he prepays for all the expenses involved for his golf trips out of his own pocket. That includes the cost of flying Air Force One. Maybe he can get the RNC or Republican Congressional Committee to pay for it out of their re-election funds. :roflmao:
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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I saw that interview. Pence's consistent reply to what to do about the horrific conditions? Stop those kids from coming here. It was sickening to see Pence lie constantly without much pushback. Near the end of the interview, Tapper finally started pointing out when Pence lied but Pence just pushed on. Frightening s**t to see. This HAS to be what it was like in Germany 1930s.

Congress knows that (1) they will use more money to create more camps and (2) the conditions will not change with the same people in charge.

They "found" billions and declared a fake emergency for billions more to "build the wall" but cannot find a dime for blankets or mattresses. If people are not shocked and scared about this now, they should be. They have normalized cruelty and internment camps. SOMEONE needs to sneak a camera in those no-camera-allowed camps.
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Follow the money...directly to the GOP.
The ACLU has a brief, but informative, video below about the GEO Group in particular, which makes $1.6 billion per year from government contracts. It is not coincidence whatsoever that private prison companies like GEO Group donate heavily to Republicans and Donald Trump. Their investment is paying off nicely for them at the expense of children dying and living in squalid conditions.

--snup--

We are paying Donald Trump and Republican party donors billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars to abuse these children and families, even though their own families are waiting for them. They have no interest whatsoever in processing these asylum claims in a timely manner. In fact, they’ve made it harder to process claims, allocating fewer resources. So, immigrants pile up at the border, Donald Trump gets to keep feeding red meat to his racist followers with a crisis of his own making, Fox News gets to keep their ratings up with a new “immigration scare,” Republicans cash those private prison checks and see their base motivated to come to the polls. It’s a win-win for Republicans, but a loss for humanity.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/heres- ... &list_id=2

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CDFingers wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:24 am Follow the money...directly to the GOP.
The ACLU has a brief, but informative, video below about the GEO Group in particular, which makes $1.6 billion per year from government contracts. It is not coincidence whatsoever that private prison companies like GEO Group donate heavily to Republicans and Donald Trump. Their investment is paying off nicely for them at the expense of children dying and living in squalid conditions.

--snup--

We are paying Donald Trump and Republican party donors billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars to abuse these children and families, even though their own families are waiting for them. They have no interest whatsoever in processing these asylum claims in a timely manner. In fact, they’ve made it harder to process claims, allocating fewer resources. So, immigrants pile up at the border, Donald Trump gets to keep feeding red meat to his racist followers with a crisis of his own making, Fox News gets to keep their ratings up with a new “immigration scare,” Republicans cash those private prison checks and see their base motivated to come to the polls. It’s a win-win for Republicans, but a loss for humanity.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/heres- ... &list_id=2

Get out the vote. Ensure that the vote count is unimpeachable. As it were.

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Yup.

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It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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