Is this our "Reichstag Fire"?

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Just wondering. Because the pandemic has become the excuse to wrest control from Democratic governors, to get old judges to retire so Mitch can confirm lifetime dogmatic ideologues dedicated to the proposition that SOME men are more equal than others and women are beneath them. That money is more important than lives, that there is a difference between hard-working immigrants and people of color and "regular people". That the Constitution is fit only for lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

Mitch, Duh Furor, Barr, and ReThug Govs and Legislatures all over are using the pandemic as ways to ensure THEIR power so that even when they only get 40% of the vote and Dems get 60% they still rule. Even though their rule has killed 78,000 and will kill far more, and unemployment is the highest it's been since The Great Depression.

A "Reichstag" Fire takeover. Fuck up the nation every which way, and then make it a dictatorship.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 3:50 pm Just wondering. Because the pandemic has become the excuse to wrest control from Democratic governors, to get old judges to retire so Mitch can confirm lifetime dogmatic ideologues dedicated to the proposition that SOME men are more equal than others and women are beneath them. That money is more important than lives, that there is a difference between hard-working immigrants and people of color and "regular people". That the Constitution is fit only for lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

Mitch, Duh Furor, Barr, and ReThug Govs and Legislatures all over are using the pandemic as ways to ensure THEIR power so that even when they only get 40% of the vote and Dems get 60% they still rule. Even though their rule has killed 78,000 and will kill far more, and unemployment is the highest it's been since The Great Depression.

A "Reichstag" Fire takeover. Fuck up the nation every which way, and then make it a dictatorship.
If you knew to were only protected from civil and criminal charges in every state where you have ever done business and every Nation where you have done business by remaining in power would you willingly step down and face the risks? Or would you try to remain in power, place those who are financially tied to you in positions of power, destroy those who might pose a continued threat to you and to place as many of your supporters in judicial positions as long as you can?
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sig230 wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 3:58 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 3:50 pm Just wondering. Because the pandemic has become the excuse to wrest control from Democratic governors, to get old judges to retire so Mitch can confirm lifetime dogmatic ideologues dedicated to the proposition that SOME men are more equal than others and women are beneath them. That money is more important than lives, that there is a difference between hard-working immigrants and people of color and "regular people". That the Constitution is fit only for lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

Mitch, Duh Furor, Barr, and ReThug Govs and Legislatures all over are using the pandemic as ways to ensure THEIR power so that even when they only get 40% of the vote and Dems get 60% they still rule. Even though their rule has killed 78,000 and will kill far more, and unemployment is the highest it's been since The Great Depression.

A "Reichstag" Fire takeover. Fuck up the nation every which way, and then make it a dictatorship.
If you knew to were only protected from civil and criminal charges in every state where you have ever done business and every Nation where you have done business by remaining in power would you willingly step down and face the risks? Or would you try to remain in power, place those who are financially tied to you in positions of power, destroy those who might pose a continued threat to you and to place as many of your supporters in judicial positions as long as you can?
I realize that's a rhetorical question. And thanks for adding it.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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What is trumps Enabling Act? There is no constitutional means for him to hold onto power if It's clear on the eve of the election a democrat will win. For him his only means of holding onto power is fraud.

After the Reichstag fire Hitler was able to have The Enabling Act passed. When Hindenburg died in 1934 Hitler became fuhrer and chancellor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Hindenburg

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His "enabling act"s? The Impeachment "acquittal", the CJ's refusal to investigate a "timely" retirement in the DC highest court, the refusal to overrule the veto of his abuse of the War Powers Act, the refusal to STOP AG Barr.. etc. etc. etc.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 10:33 pm His "enabling act"s? The Impeachment "acquittal", the CJ's refusal to investigate a "timely" retirement in the DC highest court, the refusal to overrule the veto of his abuse of the War Powers Act, the refusal to STOP AG Barr.. etc. etc. etc.
All those things are are like stars spread across the entire night sky at random. They need to be combined in a discernible pattern. I don't see that pattern. I need to see an enabling act that has gone into the law books so as to postpone an election. So far that hasn't happened and won't since the democrats control the House of Representatives.

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Here's the pattern I see. trump doesn't seem to think that 150 thousand Americans dead from COVID-19 will hurt his reelection chances. Instead it's full speed ahead to reopen the economy. He's going to have a problem though getting slaughter houses functioning without any workers. He can order them to open but as soon as he tries to force workers at gun point to go to work in the slaughter houses he will have bitten off more than he can chew. Then what? Not only will there not be any beef, pork, or chicken in the food supply but deaths from COVID-19 will increase possibly to around 200 thousand just before the election. Then he'll try to blame Pelosi for coronavirus. Will Americans buy that propaganda? I don't think so.

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harriss wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 12:07 am
YankeeTarheel wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 10:33 pm His "enabling act"s? The Impeachment "acquittal", the CJ's refusal to investigate a "timely" retirement in the DC highest court, the refusal to overrule the veto of his abuse of the War Powers Act, the refusal to STOP AG Barr.. etc. etc. etc.
All those things are are like stars spread across the entire night sky at random. They need to be combined in a discernible pattern. I don't see that pattern. I need to see an enabling act that has gone into the law books so as to postpone an election. So far that hasn't happened and won't since the democrats control the House of Representatives.
No enabling act but an Executive Order to postpone the elections for the health safety of the American People. Senate passes a resolution agreeing with the Order House refuses and it goes to the SCOTUS. where it is upheld on a 5 to 4 split. If he can't stop the election and he loses, then he will file lawsuits a plenty thus delaying any change in government, until the SCOTUS rules in his favor as in 2000. I can also see the Dems rolling over and letting this happen "for the good of the country".

Already Trump is squawking about illegal voting in a California special election for the US House seat.
Still, there is a possibility Smith will be able to close the gap in the final days. Democrats successfully fought to open a voting center in a minority-majority city in the district for the final days of the contest ― a development that has infuriated Trump, who spread falsehoods about the decision on Saturday.

“So in California, the Democrats, who fought like crazy to get all mail in only ballots, and succeeded, have just opened a voting booth in the most Democrat area in the State,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “They are trying to steal another election. It’s all rigged out there. These votes must not count. SCAM!”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrat ... 4b317b9277
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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Here's another point in the pattern. trump fu*ked himself with his enforcement of the public charge law. Most of the workers in the meat processing plants are immigrants and if they are sick they are afraid to go to the ER fearful that will be denied a green card and deported.

Napoleon said an army marches on its stomach. Well harriss said an economy runs on the stomachs of its participants.
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TrueTexan wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 10:30 am

No enabling act but an Executive Order to postpone the elections for the health safety of the American People. Senate passes a resolution agreeing with the Order House refuses and it goes to the SCOTUS. where it is upheld on a 5 to 4 split. If he can't stop the election and he loses, then he will file lawsuits a plenty thus delaying any change in government, until the SCOTUS rules in his favor as in 2000. I can also see the Dems rolling over and letting this happen "for the good of the country".
An executive order postponing the November 3 election won't cut it. That requires congressional authorization.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+tru ... e&ie=UTF-8

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN21O2JY

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harriss wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 12:23 pm
TrueTexan wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 10:30 am

No enabling act but an Executive Order to postpone the elections for the health safety of the American People. Senate passes a resolution agreeing with the Order House refuses and it goes to the SCOTUS. where it is upheld on a 5 to 4 split. If he can't stop the election and he loses, then he will file lawsuits a plenty thus delaying any change in government, until the SCOTUS rules in his favor as in 2000. I can also see the Dems rolling over and letting this happen "for the good of the country".
An executive order postponing the November 3 election won't cut it. That requires congressional authorization.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+tru ... e&ie=UTF-8

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN21O2JY
I agree, But trumps said he can do anything he wants and the SCOTUS backs him, He can do no wrong. It is going to be very messy to say the least.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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I believe it's this week that the SCOTUS hears the cases for Trump's records. Will they uphold their Nixon and Clinton decision? Or will they, once again, put politics over law. Thomas, Ginsberg, and Breyer were all on the Court then in the UNANIMOUS vote that Clinton was NOT above the law.
Scalia, Rehnquist, Kennedy, Souter, O'Conner and Stevens also all voted in the decision.

Will Thomas reverse himself? Will the so-called "Scalia" worshippers turn against their hero's vote? If they do, it will SOLELY be because the President is Republican. More than anything, this one case may well be the Dred Scott case of our time. That decision set off the Civil War. Ruling for Trump means he CAN do anything. "I don' need no stinkin' legislation! I have total, TOTAL authority!" (and zero responsibility).
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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This president has failed. His voters were wrong. They need their noses rubbed in it badly.
Don Winslow
@donwinslow

If you want win in November...

When they go low, you drop the fucking hammer on them so hard that they don't try that bullshit ever again.

You humiliate Trump and take him apart like a Lego set.

And if you're not prepared to do that, buckle up for another four years of Trump.
I will choose to humiliate his miserable, moronic voters. Choose your own path.

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CDFingers wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:27 pm This president has failed. His voters were wrong. They need their noses rubbed in it badly.
Don Winslow
@donwinslow

If you want win in November...

When they go low, you drop the fucking hammer on them so hard that they don't try that bullshit ever again.

You humiliate Trump and take him apart like a Lego set.

And if you're not prepared to do that, buckle up for another four years of Trump.
I will choose to humiliate his miserable, moronic voters. Choose your own path.

CDFingers
The hard core racist wing of the republican party doesn't care. They're willing to go down in flames with him. The merely ultra conservative wing of the republican party might be persuadable.

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Remember, it is far easier to go down with the ship when facing fire from an enemy than it is when one realize they were simply sold a dark and leaky boat. Most monsters would rather die than look at themselves in the mirror.
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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During the first term of george shrub his administration claimed that if the terrorist threat was high enough the elections would be cancelled.

Gen Franks in an interview with some magazine predicted with one more catastrophic terrorist attack that martial law would be declared and the military would take over and Americas 200 year experiment with democracy would end.

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Bisbee wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:56 am Remember, it is far easier to go down with the ship when facing fire from an enemy than it is when one realize they were simply sold a dark and leaky boat. Most monsters would rather die than look at themselves in the mirror.
I agree that some Americans are lazy. I think it will be easier either to vote against orange or to stay home than it is to fight. I think this is why it's important to get out the vote. Especially in blue areas. It's best for everyone to vote. But if red voters stay home, well, bless their hearts.

Democracy is a messy business.

CDFingers
Crazy cat peekin' through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire, like a diamond-eyed Jack

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eelj wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:20 am During the first term of george shrub his administration claimed that if the terrorist threat was high enough the elections would be cancelled.

Gen Franks in an interview with some magazine predicted with one more catastrophic terrorist attack that martial law would be declared and the military would take over and Americas 200 year experiment with democracy would end.
Darth Cheney actually proposed "postponing" the 2004 election. Luckily, Dubya didn't bite. He finally got rid of most of his neo-con "advisers" his dad had dumped on him. They were supposed to "watch" and "guide" him and instead without Poppy in charge went totally bat-shit crazy with lies and bending reality to suit themselves...shades of Trump. In his last 2 years the Shrub had fired most of them, refused to pardon Scooter Libby, and basically "Uh-Huh"ed and ignored Cheney, essentially cutting him out of the decision process. Took him 6 years to finally learn how to be President, during which so much damage was done. AFAIK Bush's relationship with Cheney is completely dead.

Even during the Civil War, Lincoln didn't cancel the 1864 election and went to bed Election Night, convinced that at the beginning of March, George McClellan would be inaugurated and there would be a negotiated peace splitting the nation in 2 and at odds with each other to this day. Yet he still didn't "cancel" the election.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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Bisbee wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:56 am Remember, it is far easier to go down with the ship when facing fire from an enemy than it is when one realize they were simply sold a dark and leaky boat. Most monsters would rather die than look at themselves in the mirror.
That's very Randian, you know. She wrote exactly that: that no person could survive if they truly saw themselves as totally evil. They MUST lie to themselves just to survive.
"Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly could never understand."

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YankeeTarheel wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:49 am
eelj wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:20 am During the first term of george shrub his administration claimed that if the terrorist threat was high enough the elections would be cancelled.

Gen Franks in an interview with some magazine predicted with one more catastrophic terrorist attack that martial law would be declared and the military would take over and Americas 200 year experiment with democracy would end.
Darth Cheney actually proposed "postponing" the 2004 election. Luckily, Dubya didn't bite. He finally got rid of most of his neo-con "advisers" his dad had dumped on him. They were supposed to "watch" and "guide" him and instead without Poppy in charge went totally bat-shit crazy with lies and bending reality to suit themselves...shades of Trump. In his last 2 years the Shrub had fired most of them, refused to pardon Scooter Libby, and basically "Uh-Huh"ed and ignored Cheney, essentially cutting him out of the decision process. Took him 6 years to finally learn how to be President, during which so much damage was done. AFAIK Bush's relationship with Cheney is completely dead.

Even during the Civil War, Lincoln didn't cancel the 1864 election and went to bed Election Night, convinced that at the beginning of March, George McClellan would be inaugurated and there would be a negotiated peace splitting the nation in 2 and at odds with each other to this day. Yet he still didn't "cancel" the election.
FDR didn't cancel the election during the height of WWII, nor did Truman during the Korean War.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis Brandeis,

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This administration maybe stupid and short sighted and the President a vicious know it all that can learn nothing, I don't think they are suicidal. If they try to cancel the election to say he would have major problems would be an understatement. The support for that action would be close to zero.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Ben Franklin
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beto wrote:This administration maybe stupid and short sighted and the President a vicious know it all that can learn nothing, I don't think they are suicidal. If they try to cancel the election to say he would have major problems would be an understatement. The support for that action would be close to zero.
Unfortunately, it wouldn't be close to zero. Had a client's wife tell me that the whole COVID-19 thing was just Dems and the media trying to tank the stock market to hurt Trump's reelection chances, and that the only way to stop all the COVID-19 garbage was to cancel the election. Trust me, for how much it sucks to say it, he would be emphatically cheered by about 1/3 of the country. Remember, leading up to and during WWII, 1/3 of Germans killed another 1/3 of Germans while the last 1/3 watched.

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A whole bunch of "Mur'cans" have ALWAYS hated immigrants, long before the Civil War. In nearly 200 years they have NEVER learned that the true life-blood of the nation is the continual, constant flow of New Americans coming here to live a better life. And every time immigration was slowed, the economy foundered. Every.Single.Time. Some of our greatest citizens, going back to Alexander Hamilton, were immigrants. Andrew Jackson's parents were Irish immigrants. Governors, Senators, Congress persons, Judges, Generals, Admirals, Writers, and, of course, Scientists have all be swelled in their ranks by immigrants.
Immigrants (and slaves) built this nation, made it great. Left it to their children to keep it great. 3 of my 4 grandparents were immigrants, and all 4 of my wife's. Even now she has cousins who are immigrants, who fled the old USSR. My youngest son is an immigrant, becoming a citizen at 5 1/2 months (and we have George W. Bush's signature confirming it!)

Immigrants CHERISH the REAL American dream. It's the rebirth of the racist Know-Nothings, who really DO know nothing, that want to end immigration, end civil liberties, even end our elections for fear...that they will lose!
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