So, as I may have mentioned in the past, I bought one of these 20 some years ago when I did not know better. I hand lent it to a cop friend of mine as a curiosity, possibly a trade, but we never seal the deal, so I got it back today.

Saturday night special. Cleaned it up it up, and ran some high velocity 22s (CCI minimags) through it. They have a reputation for being jam prone, but after getting my Mosquito tuned up, I was hopeful. turned out ok actually



This is a Bryco Jennings, 6 rounds in the mag. I used to carry it as a snake gun when I did field work, never really fired it until a few years ago. Real piece of history, this

I put about 100 rounds downrange, it started to loosen up considerably, I was averaging 1 failure every two mags, some FTF (round didn't load), and some FTE. I can see where there are imperfections in hte guts when I strip it, big black streaks of metal on metal.

Its accurate. I was on the outdoor range (the indoor was having the filters cleaned) at 25 yards. I usually aim a bit high with my snubby. I did that with this, and the bullets were striking the point of aim, high on the target.

I plan on running another box through it, but its a keeper. If nothing else it lets me practice malfunction drills, and its reliable enough to still be a snake gun. Tiny little gun.

I have a Davis 380. Same sort of half-ass quality. I took some Flitz to the surfaces that rub and now its like a $100 gun!

http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.c ... /index.php
Some people can't get enough of these.

Inquisitor wrote:Real piece of history, this

Indeed, assuming you're using "history" as a euphemism for "liquor store robberies."

MtnMan wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:Real piece of history, this

Indeed, assuming you're using "history" as a euphemism for "liquor store robberies."

Indeed! A fine pedigree!

Stripped it and cleaned it last night. Will put some CCI minimags through it this weekend.

Hey now... people used to say the same thing about Hi-Points when they first came out.

Except the Hi-Point has proven to be a good quality, inexpensive gun. These have simply proven to be .... well... an inexpensive gun.

My last experience shooting one of the jennings/bryco/raven/etc family of "pistols". And this was after an "intense" fluff and buff by a former member. This was *not* my pistol, but since I had the engineering degree they thought the guy with the best chance of not having it blow up in their hands was me. Don't ask why they thought that... guess they thought I was the most gullible

I have a Phoenix Arms 22lr pistol, they also make a 25 acp pistol. Phoenix Arms is one of the off shoots of the Ring of Five - as the "Five" got sued and lost they seemed to break up into new companies. The PA is a well made little pistol and legal in California (it passed all the tests). The spin off that seems to be doing well is Jimenez Arms, they also moved to Las Vegas.

Snuck out to the range before the boy got home. 40 minutes and 100 rounds.

Inquisitor wrote:Snuck out to the range before the boy got home. 40 minutes and 100 rounds.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Hey neo, not to be a jerk or anything, but it looks like you were kind of waving that thing around a bit. Maybe even pointing it at your friends (by accident...)

Neotrosky?

I have a target pick, need to get it off the phone. I amended the original post with information and a pic of the pistol next to my LCR.

Ultravox wrote:Hey neo, not to be a jerk or anything, but it looks like you were kind of waving that thing around a bit. Maybe even pointing it at your friends (by accident...)

Well, all rounds were exausted and, yes, I didn't remove the magazine so I do aknowledge error there. Otherwise, I don't see the glaring problem that prompts criticism. I'll make sure to consult the resident safety officer on here (which you seem to have taken upon yourself to be) before placing any more vids.

But, you do come off sounding like a prick. Just sayin'... (see, by adding that it makes me sound like I'm trying to be nice as well)

neotrotsky wrote:

Ultravox wrote:Hey neo, not to be a jerk or anything, but it looks like you were kind of waving that thing around a bit. Maybe even pointing it at your friends (by accident...)

Well, all rounds were exausted and, yes, I didn't remove the magazine so I do aknowledge error there. Otherwise, I don't see the glaring problem that prompts criticism. I'll make sure to consult the resident safety officer on here (which you seem to have taken upon yourself to be) before placing any more vids.

But, you do come off sounding like a prick. Just sayin'... (see, by adding that it makes me sound like I'm trying to be nice as well)

I don't think you're being a jerk or a prick at all, Ultravox. Far too few people are willing to call out bad, stupid, dangerous or anti social behavior for fear of offending someone or having to deal with an ass who's just been called out. As a result we are building a country full of people with an all me, all the time attitude who never think about the effect or possible affects of their actions on those around them.

Well, I guess I could have left off the "not trying to be a jerk" part then.

I've been reading a few threads recently on The High Road about muzzle direction and gun safety and the like.

You may say the mag was empty, but you sure would feel bad if you thought the mag was empty and then shot your friend.

And it really comes down to the four rules. Always. And you appeared to be violating the first two at a minimum.

1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. Never point the gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

At least twice when you turn to the camera your muzzle is not pointing downrange.

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings by pointing out a error that you made. I'm not sorry that I pointed it out.

I'm trying to cure myself of the thought process that my new guns are "toys" because they are not. They are cool, fun to own and fun to shoot, but mentally thinking of them as "toys" makes them sound non-lethal, and they are definitely lethal devices.

It is important to remain cognizant of muzzle direction at all times. Even when the gun is not loaded. And when the mag is removed. Because, again, rule 1.

Ultravox wrote:Well, I guess I could have left off the "not trying to be a jerk" part then.

I've been reading a few threads recently on The High Road about muzzle direction and gun safety and the like.

You may say the mag was empty, but you sure would feel bad if you thought the mag was empty and then shot your friend.

And it really comes down to the four rules. Always. And you appeared to be violating the first two at a minimum.

1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. Never point the gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

At least twice when you turn to the camera your muzzle is not pointing downrange.

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings by pointing out a error that you made. I'm not sorry that I pointed it out.

I'm trying to cure myself of the thought process that my new guns are "toys" because they are not. They are cool, fun to own and fun to shoot, but mentally thinking of them as "toys" makes them sound non-lethal, and they are definitely lethal devices.

It is important to remain cognizant of muzzle direction at all times. Even when the gun is not loaded. And when the mag is removed. Because, again, rule 1.

Wow.. and I bet you feel righteous listing out every flaw in that vid? I acknowledge one flaw, and you dig REAL hard to point out how everything in it is wrong, when I simply don't see myself as some crazed drunk hillbilly with a full auto like you seem to see me in that vid.

But, if it makes you feel better... go RIGHT ahead and continue the criticism. Knock yourself out. If you insist on treating me like a 10 year old because that video wasn't to your standards, feel free to keep that and the backhanded attempts at nicety to yourself. You are making more of a "deal" out of this than what is there. And while you seem so ready to give your opinion... next time, don't.

Gotta go with Ultra. I almost asked the same question. I would not show that video to a safety class as an example of proper handling, sorry.

It's not a self righteous thing, it's a setting an example thing (for me). We, as liberals, have to be bulletproof in our examples. We get more criticism and critique. Trigger discipline, muzzle discipline. Safety first. Especially with an unknown pistol.

Learn from it, don't take it personally. It will make us all better examples. Rise above. I don't know you, obviously. But watching that video, I had a cringe myself.

Ah, the Internet. You can't hear tone or see expressions, so you read what you want to into expressed sentiments. A tough habit to break.

Anyway, looking forward to more time with this collectible.

I get the tone of a condescending prick over the internet clear enough. That came through LOUD and clear! This is manufacturing a mountain out of a mole hill, and frankly I do NOT appreciate being made an *example* of over what is a slight error in my mind by an armchair rangemaster. If you even bother to look at the rest of the shooting videos on my channel, you see that there is QUITE alot of range safety being expressed, and this was simply a one-off vid of some good nature fun with an otherwise cheap gun that was obviously exhausted of it's magazine capacity.

But, I'm sure it's far more easy to nit-pick someone else over a faceless medium.

I'm done defending this video. It is what it is. If you want to make it into some national nanny-safety campaign then knock yourself out. Otherwise, don't come to me with some bullshit attempt at trying to "be nice" when it's easy to see you want to be a self-righteous know it all dick. (in reference to Ultravox)

Chill.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Ultravox wrote:Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Is that your intellectual way of calling me a bitch? REAL classy

Bah......

On my computer, it was too dark to see where the gun was half the time. He admits that maybe he wasn't as careful as he should have been. My opinion? Point it out if you feel its egregious but expect backlash and be prepared to drop it and move along. People don't like strangers criticizing them. You stated that you felt he was a bit too careless with the gun. You made your point.

On the other hand, I didn't get the condescension. I really think he was just pointing out something he thought was dangerous. Just as if he saw you masturbating with an ICBM - probably worthwhile to point out the inherent danger.

Of course, this would all have been solved if Paladin was there.

Now ladies, lets just all hug and forget this nasty old thread even happened.

Ultravox wrote:Well, I guess I could have left off the "not trying to be a jerk" part then.

I've been reading a few threads recently on The High Road about muzzle direction and gun safety and the like.

You may say the mag was empty, but you sure would feel bad if you thought the mag was empty and then shot your friend.

And it really comes down to the four rules. Always. And you appeared to be violating the first two at a minimum.

1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. Never point the gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

At least twice when you turn to the camera your muzzle is not pointing downrange.

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings by pointing out a error that you made. I'm not sorry that I pointed it out.

I'm trying to cure myself of the thought process that my new guns are "toys" because they are not. They are cool, fun to own and fun to shoot, but mentally thinking of them as "toys" makes them sound non-lethal, and they are definitely lethal devices.

It is important to remain cognizant of muzzle direction at all times. Even when the gun is not loaded. And when the mag is removed. Because, again, rule 1.

You aren't being a jerk at all; some people are simply so insecure that they assume that anyone who manages to point out a flaw they made and/or outsmart them is hell-bent on some quest to constantly "one-up" them whenever they get the chance.

neotrotsky wrote:Hey now... people used to say the same thing about Hi-Points when they first came out.

Except the Hi-Point has proven to be a good quality, inexpensive gun. These have simply proven to be .... well... an inexpensive gun.

My last experience shooting one of the jennings/bryco/raven/etc family of "pistols". And this was after an "intense" fluff and buff by a former member. This was *not* my pistol, but since I had the engineering degree they thought the guy with the best chance of not having it blow up in their hands was me. Don't ask why they thought that... guess they thought I was the most gullible

High points are a curiosity of mine. While not the most reliable gun from the start, they are good, it's not like every clip you'll have a jam, just that they occasionally happen, unlike my mark III.

Interesting thing is. Unlike any other gun, outside of the AK, the harsh treatment and environment to reliability ratio.... stays the same.

gendoikari87 wrote:

neotrotsky wrote:Hey now... people used to say the same thing about Hi-Points when they first came out.

Except the Hi-Point has proven to be a good quality, inexpensive gun. These have simply proven to be .... well... an inexpensive gun.

My last experience shooting one of the jennings/bryco/raven/etc family of "pistols". And this was after an "intense" fluff and buff by a former member. This was *not* my pistol, but since I had the engineering degree they thought the guy with the best chance of not having it blow up in their hands was me. Don't ask why they thought that... guess they thought I was the most gullible

High points are a curiosity of mine. While not the most reliable gun from the start, they are good, it's not like every clip you'll have a jam, just that they occasionally happen, unlike my mark III.

Interesting thing is. Unlike any other gun, outside of the AK, the harsh treatment and environment to reliability ratio.... stays the same.

Actually, they are QUITE reliable. The people who complain about them either shoot bulk crap Winchester White Box or "Limp Wrist" the firearm. Aside from WWB, any quality ammo will work just fine and if you have a firm grip, the weapon cycles fantastic. They are blowback pistols, and the heavy slide does absorb alot of the energy. So, any slack will take away from that needed energy it takes to cycle the weapon. You will find out that 95% of all complaints about "jamming" come from the 9mm. The 40S&W and .45 have plenty of energy to make up for a soft grip, but complaints of jamming come mainly from people who don't know how the pistol works. They kept it simple when it came to design, and the blowback action with the ZAMAK slide is the best for cost and performance.

Then again, the "Auto Parts" quality of the Zinc/Alloy slide is perfect for the durability! The only time I have ever encountered a jam is when I bought some after market no-name mags at a gun show. The magazines for HP's are all kinda on the cheap side, but a quick adjustment to the feed lips always fixes that

The only gun more durable are their carbines: They'll eat any crap soft-lead hillbilly reload and only ask for more and they pull groups that make you wonder why you'd spend three times as much on a Sub 2k or CX4

This pistol definitely needs the shooter to have good form,
Mop writing will cause all sorts of problems.

I wish it were a larger caliber. It's perfect size for my bike stuff.

I may need another psitol after all.

FYI. I just watched the video in question and you (neo) handle a gun like a ten year old on too much ADD medication.
As far as a "tone" in an email....impossible. "Tone" is audible as opposed to something you can read.
If you are going to put up a video waving a gun around , expect people are going to comment.
Why don't you put up a follow up video where you check to see if the jams are cleared by looking down the barrel? At least you'd only be accidentally shooting yourself rather than the innocent bystanders.