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Yeah, the news coverage on this feels like the coverage of Hillary's emails. The right-wing covers it non-stop and claims "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship. The CNNs and NBCs cover it so they won't be painted as partisan. It then becomes the big scandal it isn't.

This was always going to be the plan. Pick a few almost true stories about Hunter Biden and the best scandal you can find on Biden and make that the only story until November. Same old playbook. Screaming, fake outrage, hypocrisy, etc. Facts are optional, of course. Propaganda is easy.

Oh, yeah, the Fox/Breitbart are playing the "FBI framed Flynn" story non-stop, too, and claim "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship, but that one is easier for the networks to laugh off until Trump pardons Flynn. The usual "Biden has a sickness" and other basic, stale Republican stories are out there, too.
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A federal judge yesterday declared New York States cancelling of the June primary unconstitutional, so for now it's back on and all candidates are back on the ballot.

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Mon May 04, 2020 1:21 am
Yeah, the news coverage on this feels like the coverage of Hillary's emails. The right-wing covers it non-stop and claims "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship. The CNNs and NBCs cover it so they won't be painted as partisan. It then becomes the big scandal it isn't.

This was always going to be the plan. Pick a few almost true stories about Hunter Biden and the best scandal you can find on Biden and make that the only story until November. Same old playbook. Screaming, fake outrage, hypocrisy, etc. Facts are optional, of course. Propaganda is easy.

Oh, yeah, the Fox/Breitbart are playing the "FBI framed Flynn" story non-stop, too, and claim "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship, but that one is easier for the networks to laugh off until Trump pardons Flynn. The usual "Biden has a sickness" and other basic, stale Republican stories are out there, too.
Yup, the right wing thinks it has something that will stick until November which the "Ukraine Scandal" never had, the hearings refuted it. And some on the left are hoping that this does in Biden and Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee.

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highdesert wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 12:26 pm
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Mon May 04, 2020 1:21 am
Yeah, the news coverage on this feels like the coverage of Hillary's emails. The right-wing covers it non-stop and claims "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship. The CNNs and NBCs cover it so they won't be painted as partisan. It then becomes the big scandal it isn't.

This was always going to be the plan. Pick a few almost true stories about Hunter Biden and the best scandal you can find on Biden and make that the only story until November. Same old playbook. Screaming, fake outrage, hypocrisy, etc. Facts are optional, of course. Propaganda is easy.

Oh, yeah, the Fox/Breitbart are playing the "FBI framed Flynn" story non-stop, too, and claim "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship, but that one is easier for the networks to laugh off until Trump pardons Flynn. The usual "Biden has a sickness" and other basic, stale Republican stories are out there, too.
Yup, the right wing thinks it has something that will stick until November which the "Ukraine Scandal" never had, the hearings refuted it. And some on the left are hoping that this does in Biden and Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee.

Facts are not optional and objective evidence is important all the time, otherwise it's she-said he-said and the damage has already been done to reputations.
I guess we now know why the Fox bubble was constantly screaming about poor, victimized Gen Flynn. This is a Banana Republic complete with fake AGs, fake experts, and corrupt generals. Amazing stuff.
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K9s wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 12:10 am
highdesert wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 12:26 pm
K9s wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 1:21 am
Yeah, the news coverage on this feels like the coverage of Hillary's emails. The right-wing covers it non-stop and claims "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship. The CNNs and NBCs cover it so they won't be painted as partisan. It then becomes the big scandal it isn't.

This was always going to be the plan. Pick a few almost true stories about Hunter Biden and the best scandal you can find on Biden and make that the only story until November. Same old playbook. Screaming, fake outrage, hypocrisy, etc. Facts are optional, of course. Propaganda is easy.

Oh, yeah, the Fox/Breitbart are playing the "FBI framed Flynn" story non-stop, too, and claim "the left" doesn't cover it because of partisanship, but that one is easier for the networks to laugh off until Trump pardons Flynn. The usual "Biden has a sickness" and other basic, stale Republican stories are out there, too.
Yup, the right wing thinks it has something that will stick until November which the "Ukraine Scandal" never had, the hearings refuted it. And some on the left are hoping that this does in Biden and Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee.

Facts are not optional and objective evidence is important all the time, otherwise it's she-said he-said and the damage has already been done to reputations.
I guess we now know why the Fox bubble was constantly screaming about poor, victimized Gen Flynn. This is a Banana Republic complete with fake AGs, fake experts, and corrupt generals. Amazing stuff.

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Now we are seeing more background information on Tara Reade.

A fairly long article on her dealing in the past.
‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances
A number of those who crossed paths with Biden’s accuser say they remember two things: She spoke favorably about her time working for Biden, and she left them feeling duped.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

And from PBS
It’s interesting to see how thorough the PBS NewsHour reporters were in trying to assess Tara Reade’s allegations against Joe Biden. They identified and “tried to contact nearly 200 former staffers.” They ultimately interviewed 74 people, including 62 women, who worked for Biden over the years. Some were mere interns, others system administrators, and some were senior aides. Their experience spanned from his first run for Senate in 1972 all the way to his time as vice-president. Twenty of them worked for Biden in the early 1990s, at the same time as Reade. No one corroborated her primary accusation or offered anything that could reasonably be described as supporting information. ...
https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/pbs-fi ... cusations/

As dirty as the Reptilians play politics, one could wonder how much is she being paid?
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I certainly hope and pray she's getting her money upfront. I hear Turd doesn't always pay off his debts. :sarcasm:
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TrueTexan wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 11:58 am
Now we are seeing more background information on Tara Reade.

A fairly long article on her dealing in the past.
‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances
A number of those who crossed paths with Biden’s accuser say they remember two things: She spoke favorably about her time working for Biden, and she left them feeling duped.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 ... ces-260771

And from PBS
It’s interesting to see how thorough the PBS NewsHour reporters were in trying to assess Tara Reade’s allegations against Joe Biden. They identified and “tried to contact nearly 200 former staffers.” They ultimately interviewed 74 people, including 62 women, who worked for Biden over the years. Some were mere interns, others system administrators, and some were senior aides. Their experience spanned from his first run for Senate in 1972 all the way to his time as vice-president. Twenty of them worked for Biden in the early 1990s, at the same time as Reade. No one corroborated her primary accusation or offered anything that could reasonably be described as supporting information. ...
https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/pbs-fi ... cusations/

As dirty as the Reptilians play politics, one could wonder how much is she being paid?
Not surprising, remember Biden was elected to the US Senate when he was 30 years old and was in state government before that time. Sexual harassment usually shows as a pattern in men and women, if Biden had a problem it would have surfaced long ago not conveniently right now in the midst of a presidential election.

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In my life time there have been 3 sitting presidents accused of rape while in office. I think overall in this country it appears to be a non issue.

There has also been numerous presidents who have been outed as being very randy philanderers and in many cases celebrated for it.

I believe it's been a great disservice to women overall. My main objection to Biden is the fact that he has a track record of being extremely dishonest about himself. It could make him another big loser against the big clown.

If he does win it won't be by enough of a margin for a mandate, I doubt his candidacy will carry over for down ballot elections.

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On Wednesday, the Senate Homeland Security Committee will vote on a subpoena to Blue Star Strategies. That's a company that worked with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, which hired Biden's son, Hunter, to sit on its board. Republican senators are looking into whether Blue Star "sought to leverage Hunter Biden's membership on the board of directors for Burisma." Call it the impeachment backlash.

With Romney signaling he will vote in favor of the subpoena, it is expected to pass, NPR's Philip Ewing and Claudia Grisales report.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/18/85761647 ... u-wish-for

Precedent will be set, I expect House Democrats to open investigations on Trump and his family during the election campaign. Hopefully they'll uncover what little Donnie Jr and Eric have been up to internationally.
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highdesert wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:44 am
On Wednesday, the Senate Homeland Security Committee will vote on a subpoena to Blue Star Strategies. That's a company that worked with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, which hired Biden's son, Hunter, to sit on its board. Republican senators are looking into whether Blue Star "sought to leverage Hunter Biden's membership on the board of directors for Burisma." Call it the impeachment backlash.

With Romney signaling he will vote in favor of the subpoena, it is expected to pass, NPR's Philip Ewing and Claudia Grisales report.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/18/85761647 ... u-wish-for

Precedent will be set, I expect House Democrats to open investigations on Trump and his family during the election campaign. Hopefully they'll uncover what little Donnie Jr and Eric have been up to internationally.
I cannot imagine why they can't pass a lot of that along to interested states like New York. If Florida ever becomes a willing participant in democracy, it would be a great place to look for corruption and money laundering.
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/joe-bid ... 45383.html

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When you march with MLK and get arrested going to see Nelson Mandela, why do you need tout your street-cred again anyway?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 244339002/

Biden's self-claims of being arrested never seem to stick... Was he arrested for protesting for Women's Rights also?
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Why are you here? You are an admitted Trump 2020 activist. You don't talk about guns on a gun forum. You constantly repeat far-right tweets (see above). This isn't Twitter. Please go back to Twitter or get some new, original material. Or, better yet, formulate your own opinions and defend them when countered.
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joe biden is not the ideal candidate, but i don't see hm cozying up to actual petty dictators like kim jong un or that wannabe dictator vladimir putin. while he does have a propensity to exaggerate his credentials, joe's not an blatant liar or narcissist, nor is he an agent of a foreign power. i would have been happier with another candidate, but he's the one the democratic process gives us, unlike the so-called "republican" party. hell, i'd have been happier with webb, walsh or kasich, but the hijacking of the republican party by the libertarian wing behind trump's fart-screen has eliminated that possibility.

this is democracy at work, use it or lose it. "liberal" not= "libertarian".

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"How Warren Harding’s Campaign for ‘Normalcy’ Led to Catastrophe"
https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2020 ... eas/essay/
What is normalcy? And what does it mean when we tell ourselves that we want to get back to it?

When American historians hear talk of “normalcy,” we think of Warren G. Harding. Harding did not invent normalcy. Not the word, nor the state of being. But he benefited from the appeal of both.

Elected president in 1920, Harding campaigned to put a keel beneath a nation buffeted by world war as well as the long and deadly 1918-1919 influenza pandemic. But finding the language for this was a struggle. Harding’s inept speeches saddled him with too many words—making “hope” and “inspiration” fight for breathing space.
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Calling for “sustainment in triumphant nationality” was Harding’s convoluted way of saying let’s make America great again. Elect me, he promised, and he would take America back to a bucolic pre-war, pre-pandemic time, a time of serenity. Mythic though it was, the vision worked. He won, in one of the largest political landslides in American history.

But history didn’t end there. Neither Harding nor normalcy would succeed. These failures, considered exactly a century later, hold lessons for those who seek restoration in our time of fear, disease, and death...
Article worth a gander... esp if you are interested in the Biden campaign.
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Harding spoke out for racial equality and an end to segregation. But his VP and successor, Coolidge, was nearly as racist as Woodrow Wilson. Naturally he was Reagan's "ideal".

Harding had a really bi-polar cabinet. Half of them were brilliantly competent, the other half were crooked as Trump and no brighter.
His Sec State, Charles Evans Hughes, restructured the dept and the Foreign Service as a professional, non-political agency, saying "There's only one politician in the State Dept, which is myself, and I'm not a very good one!"
Treasury was Andrew Mellon, who, like him or not, knew what he was doing.
Commerce was Hoover, always better at being an administrator than a politician.
His Secretaries of War, Agriculture, and Labor was all capable competent men.

Then there were the crooks, the AG, Interior, Postmaster, and the Navy Secretary, and, of course, Albert Fall at Interior was the lead crook. But Teapot Dome wasn't possible without the SecNavy's involvement, Denby.
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I’ve unfriended several people on Facebook (including some members of this club) because they say they will no way/no how vote for the Democrat (Biden), not even to get rid of Trump, because “they are both equally bad.” What’s worse, they are not content with just not voting, but are waging an active campaign to get others not to vote for the only remaining alternative to Trump. I am not well with that. Those people are not my friends nor even my allies.
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There are those here who STILL are insisting they won't vote for "The lesser of two evils", as if the difference is the difference in the length of their devil's horns.

When in fact, it's the difference between the rapidly accelerating march to total autocratic dictatorship with a mad king, as vindictive as Stalin, Mao, or Hitler, happy to kill, or lockup and torture and and every critic; or a chance to keep some aspect of our democratic republic with a CHANCE to improve it.
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YankeeTarheel wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 11:19 am
There are those here who STILL are insisting they won't vote for "The lesser of two evils", as if the difference is the difference in the length of their devil's horns.

When in fact, it's the difference between the rapidly accelerating march to total autocratic dictatorship with a mad king, as vindictive as Stalin, Mao, or Hitler, happy to kill, or lockup and torture and and every critic; or a chance to keep some aspect of our democratic republic with a CHANCE to improve it.
I think they think another Trump term will accelerate the coming of The Revolution. There is a real qualitative difference between Evil and The Lesser of Two Evils. Within the margin of that difference millions of lives are affected or lost. If Hillary were President right now how many Americans would still be alive? Like Biden, Hillary was the lesser of two evils yet how much better off would we be right now with her over Trump? It matters. It fucking matters.
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