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So, mid-range'ish red dots. Pew Pew liked the
HOLOSUN HS403A Micro Red Dot Sight

But I've also read good things about the
Vortex Optics StrikeFire 2 Red/Green Dot Sight with Cantilever Mount

Something I'm missing here, on one or any of several layers? Anyone played with either model?

This is going on an entry-level MSR, please keep the Aimpoint recommendations to yourselves (maybe one day)

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I know nothing about Holosun, but vortex makes quality stuff.
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The Holosun is OK, Sig Sauer rebrands their red dots. Also consider the size of the dot, if you're shooting closer distances you might a larger dot for faster target acquisition or a smaller dot for shooting longer distances.

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Thanks for the input folks. Guess it may come down to a coin toss.

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I have 3 Red Dot sights. One is a Bushnell TRS-25 which is pretty good but a bit clumsy to turn on and adjust. Then there's a Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot with Push-buttons that's a good bit nicer than the Bushnell. Finally there's the integrated Sig-Sauer Romeo1 reflex red dot that came with my P320 Compact which I think is the nicest of them all. But stand-alone they are expensive, even discounted.
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Vortex also has a life time warranty on it's products, something to consider.
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I'll third the Vortex recommendation- I picked up their red dot alternative, the Spitfire to see how it would do with my astigmatism- nice clear optics, and sure enough, no star from it, even with the light cranked up. I went back and forth a ton on my higher end scope between a Vortex and the Bushnell HDMR- I wound up with the HDMR, but not because of the Vortex quality.
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I have a Vortex Spitfire also. This is a 3x prism sight with a BDC reticle. Excellent quality. I thought about a red dot, but I shoot my AR at a range from at least 100 yards, so even a 2 moa dot seemed too much. But Vortex sights are great stuff and if I were to look for a red dot I would start there.
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Woodsman wrote:I have a Vortex Spitfire also. This is a 3x prism sight with a BDC reticle. Excellent quality. I thought about a red dot, but I shoot my AR at a range from at least 100 yards, so even a 2 moa dot seemed too much. But Vortex sights are great stuff and if I were to look for a red dot I would start there.
If you're shooting a 12" steel plate at 100 yards, a 2 MOA dot works just fine. I do this with my PCC. If you're shooting groups, then a red dot isn't the right tool.

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I tried a Holosun micro dot a couple of years ago, I had to send it back. I couldn't use it because I would see two dots. Aimpoints gave me the same thing. At the time I went with the Vortex Strikefire with bright red dot and just resigned myself to the larger size and weight.

Having said that, I just got the Sig Sauer Romeo 4A, and it works fine for me. No double dots, must be a different tech. The difference in size and weight between the Romeo and the Strikefire is obvious. Plus, auto-off with motion sensing auto-on, 10k hour battery life. I'm quite pleased with it.

Primary Arms has them marked down from about $300 to about $170 and I got free shipping. They usually ship quickly, too.

Edited to add: I almost forgot, there's no blue or green tint with this Romeo. The glass is clear. From what I've read this seems to be unusual for red dots.
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Interesting- Rascally, do you have an astigmatism?
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shinzen wrote:Interesting- Rascally, do you have an astigmatism?
The last time I was checked I was told I had a mild one.
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I'll Nth (my brain doesn't want to count how many others already have this morning) the vote for Vortex. I have a SPARC 2, 2 MOA, that has been hopping between different firearms sporadically which I really like. I also have a number of their scopes on various rifles, all of which have worked quite well for me.

I can even attest, somewhat, to their warranty service. My boss dropped his newly re-assembled AR on its side the other day and crushed the right side cap on his Strike Eagle. A short call to Vortex and a few days later they sent him a complete replacement 'kit' for both caps.
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I have a pretty severe astigmatism, but I guess my glasses and contacts correct it enough that I only see one dot, though it tends to starburst a bit when I have it at the highest setting. This has pretty much held true from a $30 TruGlo to a Vortex Viper and the C-Mores I usually shoot with. One of the biggest benefits of shooting with a dot is that I've finally learned to shoot with both eyes open and I've even managed to do it with iron sights when I have the presence of mind to do it.

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Both eyes open learned here too. Also, I love my Vortex Viper.


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In doing some further research it seems like there have been some build quality issues with the Holosuns. The deep discount on the Romeo 4A rascally mentioned is tempting, but if spara's assertion that Sig Sauers are rebranded Holosuns I'm back in the same boat. I think I'll go with the Vortex, as I also like the cantilevered mount, and available glare reduction cap. Thanks for all of the input folks!
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I wonder if this Holosun solar powered dot is any good?

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Mason wrote:I wonder if this Holosun solar powered dot is any good?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U2KMVCI/re ... B00KOOEZ6W
2 MOA dot size. Dammit man! I thought I had my mind made up!!! :surrender:
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The vortex is known known. Good stuff.
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4 stars vs almost 5 stars with the Vortex. Go with the Vortex. Battery life will be plenty long.
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I have this primary arms red dot on my AR, I've had 0 complaints so far, except for forgetting to turn off the red dot.

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Vortex ordered!
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Good call on the Vortex. I have seen too many of the Holosuns and Sig Romeos shatter.

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Even a Sig Sauer or Vortex is costly. I picked up my first Red Dot brand new for $30. It's a Tacfire with a cantilever mount. Has red, green and blue dots. I think the blue is handy for people who have some problems with color blindness. A green or red dot can get lost pointing into foliage, but the blue stands out against anything on the ground. First I had to get corrective lenses for my astigmatism. With astigmatism all dots look lie aurora borealis. In other words, it doesn't look like a dot.
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Since we are bringing this thread back, are there any good red dots that use scope rings? I'm thinking about something that could be slapped onto a Ruger Revolver.
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