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Re: Ruger PC Carbine

#101 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:25 pm

If you look down the page a little, there's a good discussion of this very rifle. ;)

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Re: Ruger PC Carbine

#102 Post by BroadsideofaBarn » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Thanks featureless.

Guess I didn't search hard enough before I posted this and didn't see the thread. But found it now.

The rifle is so new that apperantly no civilian I know of has shot one. I was just asking if someone was able to pick one up on here if they would be kind enough to give impressions.

Sorry to double up!

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#103 Post by shinzen » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 pm

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Re: Ruger PC Carbine

#104 Post by featureless » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:14 pm

BroadsideofaBarn wrote:Thanks featureless.

Guess I didn't search hard enough before I posted this and didn't see the thread. But found it now.

The rifle is so new that apperantly no civilian I know of has shot one. I was just asking if someone was able to pick one up on here if they would be kind enough to give impressions.

Sorry to double up!
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#105 Post by shinzen » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:15 pm

Hell, we're all just waiting for one to show up at an LGS somewhere so we can buy it, or at least fondle it.
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#106 Post by Bucolic » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:53 am

I HANDLED ONE! Did not buy it but will do in a month or so. Report to follow...



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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#107 Post by atxgunguy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:03 pm

Bucolic wrote:I HANDLED ONE! Did not buy it but will do in a month or so. Report to follow...
Oh, do tell! How was the trigger and overall feel?
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#108 Post by Bucolic » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:21 pm

Stopped into the Gettysburg Trading post today. Was looking at a used Beretta Tomcat. Decided not to buy it - it was a little loose and I could not get the price I wanted. I was about to leave when I looked up on the display and there it was, ugly as sin. No one else was in the store so they let me fondle it as much as I wanted. I spent about twenty minutes with it and two of the employees who had not checked it out. They want $499 for it. I wanted it but I did not buy it largely because it’s winter and I won’t be able to shoot if for a couple months. This way, I will wait out any early recalls (and convince my wife that we need it).

It is ugly and it is very cool! Impressions follow.

It is certainly nearly 7 pounds. Weight is concentrated in the receiver where the heavy bolt and bolt counterweight are located so it has a low polar moment of inertia. It shoulders well for me and points naturally. The peep sight is easy to pick up. I actually liked the fact that the aperture is on the barrel side of the take down interface cause it’s easier for me to get it and the front sight in focus at the same time with my varifocal lenses.

The trigger is surprisingly good. It had about 2 mm of takeup, negligible creep and a clean break at about five pounds followed by a very short over travel. I did not assess the reset. If it were my rifle, I would not change a thing on the trigger and I love me a good trigger.

It looks like the trigger group is NOT identical to a 10/22, so aftermarket 10/22 full trigger groups won’t work. Unlike the 10/22, the bolt release works right - I.e. you can slingshot it. It might be possible to use some 10/22 trigger internals but, given how nice the trigger is, I would not change things. You can probably get it down to 2 pounds or so if the hammer, sear, etc are 10/22 compatible but I could not justify that for the intended uses of this gun.

Mags seat smoothly and solidly. The take down works just like the 10/22 takedown. As you know, the bolt and mag release are easily swapped for lefties. I won’t review the other stuff you all know - threaded barrel, lots of rail space, length of pull adjustment, etc.

The stock is solid, stiff and ugly but the stippling is really nice - aggressive but not painful. The design “feature” that looks like an adjustable comb is not that. It’s just a design element. Does it portend a future option? Who knows? It pissed me off. Maybe they plan to market fixed height comb risers and the outline in the stock is just an outline for them.

I think one thing that is perhaps a disappointment is that it looks improbable that an aftermarket stock will be coming soon. Maybe the foreend part but the rear part is pretty tightly integrated with the fire controls. I suspect that any serious attempt to do a new stock will take some time. However, I bet it would take a paint job really well, Klown.

The stock would be much better if the bottom of the front piece were not sloped up and if it just followed an extrapolation of the bottom of the rear piece. The eye of the beholder, I guess.

Bottom line, is it cool? Absolutely. Will I buy one? Not a doubt in my mind! If I had to choose right now between a CZ P-01 and one of these, which would I buy? The CZ. That’s another reason I did not buy the PC.

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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#109 Post by joemac » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:14 pm

I wonder if they would consider a 10 mm auto version with Glock 20 mags? I would definitely buy one in 10 mm.

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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#110 Post by Bacchus » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:17 am

That's the most thorough fondling review I've ever read. Now I want one. :) Trigger sounds awesome. The whole thing sounds super handy.
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#111 Post by Bisbee » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:28 am

Ah, interesting review. I liked reading your impressions. Thank you, Bucolic.

Now I understand why everyone keeps saying it is heavy. Like the Hi-point (and Uzi) carbine, this is a strict blow back 9mm design. You need a very heavy bolt to soak up and manage the recoil energy from a 9mm round. Much more mass than a .22lr in any case.

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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#112 Post by Deep13 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:41 am

Well, the weight is some concern. A CZ full stock 527 rifle is listed at 6 lbs. The Beretta Cx4 storm is just under 6 lbs. with a crappy, plastic trigger, and it only takes 92 magazines. The Marlin camp 9 was 6.75 lbs. Only Kel-Tec gets below 5 lbs. (4.25). The original Ruger Police Carbine was 7 lbs. This new one is listed at 6.8.
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#113 Post by Bucolic » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:45 am

Bisbee wrote:Ah, interesting review. I liked reading your impressions. Thank you, Bucolic.

Now I understand why everyone keeps saying it is heavy. Like the Hi-point (and Uzi) carbine, this is a strict blow back 9mm design. You need a very heavy bolt to soak up and manage the recoil energy from a 9mm round. Much more mass than a .22lr in any case.

Interesting...
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Yes, there is a substantial mass in the bolt and “counterweight.” However, as I said, it does seem to have a low moment of inertia so it’s nimbleness belies it’s weight. Kinda like the Porsche Boxster - with the mass concentrated midship, it has amazing cornering. Note that I am not comparing their pulchritude. The Boxster is beautiful; the PC is, well, it has a great personality....
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#114 Post by FlyGuy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:24 am

Bucolic wrote:pulchritude.
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#115 Post by shinzen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:06 am

Nice write up Bucolic. I'm glad I've already got a P01 :) The 7 pounds doesn't bug me too much at all, I'd bet the recoil is pretty negligible due to it. I'd been wanting the Camp 9 for years, but they are unobtainium unless you want to spend way more than they are worth, and no Glock mags. As to comparing it to a 527, I will say mine in 6.5 Grendel has a pretty stout amount of recoil for such a small round- the light weight of the rifle makes for good carrying, not so much for soaking up any recoil.
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#116 Post by Bucolic » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:17 am

Thanks, Shin. I am certainly going to buy one unless there are some unexpected surprises that will shake out in the first couple months. You wanna go first?

And, yes, I covet your p-01.
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#117 Post by shinzen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:38 am

If I can find one locally I suspect I'll have a PC Carbine sized hole in my wallet almost immediately. I should go check my LGS today
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#118 Post by Eris » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 pm

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#119 Post by Buck13 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:41 am

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#120 Post by Deep13 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:59 am

shinzen wrote: I'd been wanting the Camp 9 for years, but they are unobtainium unless you want to spend way more than they are worth, and no Glock mags.
I'm selling mine at Hickory Ridge Firearms in Medina, Ohio. I bought it on impulse. The recoil buffer disintegrated the first time I shot it. So, I replaced the buffer, recoil spring, stirrup, hammer spring, stirrup strut, magazine disconnect, and some other spring (maybe hammer return). Now it works well and is really accurate even with a red dot. I've got the Marlin 12 and 20 round mags and a S&W 15. All work really well. Also have 3 twenty round Mec-Gars which work well, but only with brass. Stock is really good, maybe some tiny dings, I don't really remember since it's at the store. $649. **shrug** Just saying. :whistle:
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Re: NEW: Ruger PC Carbine In 9mm (Yes, it DOES take Glock mags)

#121 Post by shinzen » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:36 am

Fortunately for my wallet the PC 9 hasn't made it to the LGS yet.

Tempting on the Camp 9..... Much more visually appealing for sure.
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#122 Post by Bucolic » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:38 am

I looked at a used Camp 45and was tempted but, at nearly $900, it was priced out of my budget at the time. Much prettier than the PC. I do like the takedown ability of the latter though.


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#123 Post by shinzen » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:42 am

Yeah, plus the peep sight and mag selection on the PC Carbine gives it an edge. Rarity drives the price of the Camp up- beyond what I'm willing to fork over.
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#124 Post by atxgunguy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:10 pm

My LGS had one today. I handled it and nearly took it...lest incur the wrath of my wife and a $600 CC notification while she's out of town. Hell hath no fury and whatnot.

Weight and balance is great, the trigger was surprisingly light and not gritty. Take up was average. Haters gonna hate, but I think it looks awesome. Throw on a red dot on the pic rail and it'll be that much cooler.

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#125 Post by Deep13 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:03 pm

Oh, yeah, I'm sold on it. I'll buy the first one my dealer gets. Wondering if I should go with the blue state model. I don't use a suppressor and doubt I ever will, and if I ever have to move to a blue state, I won't have to get rid of the carbine first (like I would for my AR15). Anyway, the Ruger carbine looks like it has it all over my Beretta carbine with its plastic trigger group and 92 series mags. (In fairness, those plastic trigger parts have been extremely reliable). Plus, the Beretta's raised sights prevent mounting a scope, if I ever wanted one.
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